I thought the same. They covered up Hillsborough, covered up child abuse yet showboated a search of Cliff Richard's flat based on one allegation. They must really hate the Millennium Prayer.

I forgot about that.

Maybe they did have justification then?

Everybody cares about "vulnerable children".

Apart from when they watch Benefits Street and Jeremy Kyle. Then they are "white trash" and "chav scum" and they are probably hated as much as "Paki's".

No doubt a host of politicians will be condemning SYP and SYSS. But many of these politicians will have also been massively cutting budgets and forcing extreme targets on the police at the same time.

I think convincing a social worker that you're a victim of crime will be very easy. In fact in many of the cases in this report the victims insisted that they weren't victims and that they were loved by their abusers. If the police are not informed of these allegations then how in hell are they supposed to investigate them?

An excellent assessment in the Mail [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2736283/From-sex-abuse-gangs-jihadis-State-s-fear-racist-letting-evil-thrive.htmltoday[/url by manzoor Moghal, which cuts right through the racist bull claims regurgitated by some of the more cretinous posters on here.

Your displaying the exact attitude that lead to the abuse of these girls. The people that failed to act in system are nothing but enablers.

This crime had a racial element, no denying that it was a hate crime. The racist and cultural attitudes of Pakistani men was at the route of all this. This a thing that been repeated throughout the Country that has a large lower income Pakistani Population. They will be no moving forward until this fact is acknowledged, race relations will continue to decline and girls will continue to get abused.

Fell free to split quote me and look in my closet.

It depends on your definition of abuse. At the docs recently I was sat there when a Pakistani woman came in followed by 3 more. All were wearing the full length full-face black monty. Tiny slit for eyes. From their assortment of sizes I would guess the 3 girls were aged something like 10 - 15. They were being registered at the practice as it has an Asian female GP.

These girls have been brainwashed into that particular extreme brand of religion and their lives are dominated by living under the strictest regime, they will have no real contact with British society, and men will rule everything they ever do, say or think. We have had the religious freedom debate many times over but these kids have had no choice whatsoever in the matter and now it is too late for them. Of course supporters of their flavour of religion will say that is how everyone MUST live their life and everyone else is wrong but for these girls there was never any choice nor ever will be. This includes strictures on how marriage is imposed on them and how they must basically submit to the wishes of men.

Is this child abuse? Under UK law, seemingly not.

Well said ... I feel the same.
But nobody will confront it ... they daren't for so many reasons.

I think the amount of attention given to the role of race in the lack of adequate response to these crimes is out of proportion.

I would suggest that other forces were also playing a part in the failure of social care and police and it shouldn't be laid purely at the door of political correctness or fear of being labelled racist.

Poor leadership, complicated chains of command, complacency, prejudice and lack of professionalism all played part.

Blaming it on multiculturalism would be a disservice to the victims. All lessons need to be learned otherwise this will just become another report that wasn't acted upon.

The police commissioner is being a little stubborn - he should have done the honourable thing as soon as this story got air time. Other than the money I can't see why he is hanging on?

Rotherham council proved they could act fast when they removed foster children from UKIP supporting foster parents on the basis that the parents' political views were at odds with those deemed suitable by the council.

This case is a total disgrace to this country and yet still there are attempts to play down the ethnic angle especially by the BBC who have gone out of their way to avoid discussing it. Anyone directly involved either at the council or the police who knew about the abuse but failed to act should be sacked immediately and feel themselves lucky that they are not facing criminal charges.

When I was a magistrate the most frustrating aspect of the role was dealing with kids from care homes. They'd get into trouble after being out all night with their "boyfriends"or in the case of the boys, lads that were a few years older. When you asked why that was allowed, why the "boyfriend" wasn't in court, the answer was just a shrug of the shoulders and "What can you do?"

The situation was then compounded as kids would be brought to court for the sort of petty offenses that probably happen thousands of times every night amongst squabbling siblings in family homes without the police being called. On the grounds that "Its the only way we can discipline them". We did make a concerted effort to get the CPS to stop bringing these prosecutions which had some success, but you did often think that the old fashioned option of a clip round the ear might have been more in their interests.

I know there are some terrible, abusive parents that should never be allowed to "raise" children. But putting them into "care" homes often seems to be just as bad.

Possibly the name Sharon Shoesmith might be on his mind ?

From my reading of the report I thought he was praised for bringing in improvements since he's taken over at the top. I might be wrong though as that wasn't the main reason that I read through most of the report.

I trust that all the people who are calling for his head have actually read the report and they are demanding his sacking based on his failings, and not the fact he's just at the top when the report was published.

I doubt it though.

It has nothing to do with him being the current PCC, that's just the job he currently holds. It has everything to do with the fact that prior to becoming PCC he was the head of Child Services at the council while all of this was going on !

I'm sure there was an element of the Council/police/social workers etc being nervous of the racial side of it but I think a bigger factor is that these children are generally from poor backgrounds and often from households lacking decent parenting or, as in the case of a girl shown by Look North, girls who have been abandoned by their parents.

To start with it means there isn't anyone there to check up on these girls or be concerned about anything. For instance, I know I'd have gone berserk had my 14 year old daughter been going out with a 24 year old who's just come out of prison. And there is no way I'd have been allowing her out on a night with this bloke.

Also, as they're from poor backgrounds, they often aren't as eloquent in expressing any concerns to social workers or when making a complaint to police. So, coupled with no parents to kick up a fuss, it's much easier for social services and the police to ignore the problem.

Then, as LGJM says, add in the chav/scummer factor along with cuts to council services and a ridiculous target culture in the public sector and to be honest it's no suprise things like this happen.

Pretty twisted perspective of events imo. Move the blame away from the perpetrators onto the victims parents. Did you read the bit about the Fathers been arrested for trying recover their children?

I have been having a quick play with the 2011 census data:

Of the 5272 people in your area who responded, 4874 described themselves as white and English / Scottish / Irish / Welsh / British. Or put slightly differently, 92.5% of people.

22 people said they were Indian or British Indian, one person described themselves as Pakistani, and no-one admitted to being from Sri Lanka. Even if you include that entire Asian block, we are still talking no more than around 50 people. As for Chinese, you have got 13 of those and 146 Poles. I can find no reference to Portuguese, but presume they fall under 'other white', which accounts for 27 people.

The south west, i.e. where you live, has the second highest % of 'white British' people as a region, behind Wales. So don't try and make out that you live in some multi-cultural utopia.



I did 2 years 3 months there. I had a good go at the lingo, got involved in all sorts of local activities, and even had a girlfriend out there. All in all, a pretty decent effort at integrating with the locals.

I now live in London where, in certain parts, it is very easy to forget that you are in the UK.

Very easy for you to come on here and bag people who worry about immigration, when it just doesn't appear to be an issue in your area.

I'm not moving the blame anywhere, it's fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the people who abused these children.

But you can't ignore other issues, such as social services and police not taking complaints and signs seriously, or, in some cases, a lack of proper parenting.

As I said, there was a girl on Look North who was 14 at the time she was abused. Her parents had previously abandoned her to foster parents and the social care system. She had a relationship with a 24 year old just out of prison. Would you allow your 14 year old daughter to go out on a night with a 24 year old just out of prison? Would you let her stay over with him?
There's no way on earth I would.

That's racist

Bad parenting will always exist in every society. Thats why the state steps in as some kind of protection. What do you think is the biggest contribution to these events? For me it was firstly the cultural attitudes to Western women within the Pakistani/Muslim community. These were acts of mass exploitation of the most wicked nature. Calculated and pre meditated by large amount of men. So inhumane that the victims must of been de-humanised in the minds of the attackers. Lets have some sense of individual responsibility for these acts. secondly it was the various parts of the State that failed to take action to protect these girls. The states failures was a direct result of political correct culture with in them. It's seems to me your just uncomfortable discussing the cultural faults of the community the perpetrators come from. Blaming the parents is just a way of diverting the blame.

It's all too easy to just point at the parents and say 'you've failed as a parent'. Nobody knows the story behind how these children ended up in care, how they ended up living with single parents or how their lives have been affected by living in an area of depravation.

The parents shouldn't even be mentioned in this whole episode. What happened to these children was wrong and the blame lies with the perpetrators in the first instance. The council and police if anyone should be the ones who shoulder some of the blame for turning a blind eye.

Listening to a report on Radio 4 today and one case of a 12 year old girl was mentioned. Apparently she was told by a detective that she "obviously consented" to sex with an older man. Given the fact that a 12 year old cannot legally consent to sex, if true, this detective should be tracked down and charged with aiding and abetting child abuse. At the very least he should be summarily dismissed from the force.

You don't simply "worry about immigration" - you're a racist, pure and simple. You've been called out on it in the past and nothing seems to have changed

Yawn. You play this card almost every time, and it is a standard response from anyone of a left-leaning persuasion when losing an argument on immigration. Try and close-down the debate by calling other people racist.

Linking your comments back to the original topic - this is part of the problem with what happened in Rotherham. No-one wanted to intervene, for fear of being called racist.

I've said the blame lies firmly on the shoulders of those who committed the abuse.
I've not "blamed" parents for this.
I've tried to point out what I think are some reasons as to why alarm bells weren't sounded with some of these girls.

I don't know why or how that could be translated into me being "uncomfortable" about the perpetrators or their community.

I sort of assumed that we were all of the opinion that the people who committed the acts are those responsible, I was attempting to discuss another aspect of the situation.

The council, social workers and the police are rightly taking flak over this issue, that doesn't mean they are "to blame" for the girls being abused.