I refer you to the front page of yesterday's Sunday Times.

Its their job, in fact in opposition its the only job that a political party has.

I don't particularly like the way that the HoC works by attrition nor the way that career politicians these days have highly developed their sneering, bawling calls in what they laughingly call "debate", but there you are, its what we have for a parliament.

The first time anyone acted like that at a company production meeting or god forbid a board meeting then their next meeting would be at a disciplinary but our university produced politicians seem to think its normal to behave in a such a manner.

No doubt Labour took advantage of the situation. As would the Tories had something similar happened to a Labour MP. That's politics, unfortunately.

The three officers from the West Midlands Police Federation have been accused of exploiting the situation in the media.

What [ihasn't[/i happened is the uncovering of any conspiracy whatsoever, which is what your new best friend asserted in his discredited OP.

If people getting their heads together to lie and corroborate each other's stories is not a conspiracy, then please tell me what is?

Tory = Bad. No matter what the facts are.

That is how the police work, they've done it with the blessing of the law for decades now. Before they have to submit statements or their notebooks, they are allowed to meet and compare their recollections before writing up their notebooks. Funny it's only wrong now because a scummy tory MP feels wronged

There's more than a handful of former miners who would have had such "evidence" set before the beak under a former Tory Prime Ministers rule and who still carry criminal records with them for doing nothing else but lawful (at the time) picketing.

Yes, sadly so.

Did the Sin Bin legal 'experts' forget to call Mitchell and tell him he has no chance..... news.sky.com/story/1071355/plebg ... -for-libel

Did the Sin Bin legal 'experts' forget to call Mitchell and tell him he has no chance..... news.sky.com/story/1071355/plebg ... -for-libel

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From the link above...




If anyone wonders how the hell so much money is spent on public services in this country then you simply need to consider the statement above and the fact that the CPS have not yet received a full file of evidence on this stupid altercation which should have been settled the following morning.

Imagine if a security guard at the gates of a large private company had complained to his senior managers that he had been verbally abused by a director of the same company whilst trying to do the job that he had been instructed to do.

Do you think there would still be an open file on the matter SIX MONTHS later ?

I must say, my personal experience of the private sector is hardly one that illustrates that management would have sorted it out in the way that you imply, Jerry.



I've seen a pretty lengthy stream of private-sector bosses who would probably sack the complaining security guard and as for 'files', well they wouldn't even exist.

Are you suggesting in the public sector the guard should not be sacked for leaking confidential reports to the media? or indeed the other guards who lied and sent a false statement in support?

Mintball will answer for herself but if I was you I'd get your condiments of choice ready. I have a feeling that you are just about to be served your goolies on a plate

Quote ="Ajw71"Did the Sin Bin legal 'experts' forget to call Mitchell and tell him he has no chance..... news.sky.com/story/1071355/plebg ... -for-libel'" It depends on the wording of The Sun article, but if all they say is that he swore and called them plebs as according to the police log then I fail to see how he could possibly win a libel case. Even his own lawyers have called it risky.

Quote ="Ajw71"Did the Sin Bin legal 'experts' forget to call Mitchell and tell him he has no chance..... news.sky.com/story/1071355/plebg ... -for-libel'" It depends on the wording of The Sun article, but if all they say is that he swore and called them plebs as according to the police log then I fail to see how he could possibly win a libel case. Even his own lawyers have called it risky.

My flabber is still somewhat gasted at the poor level of Elpers's comprehension. Or perhaps it's just the poor level of his trolling.

Mind, given assorted issues in the NHS, one could make a claim for whistleblowers being protected – where the public interest is served.

You are right in the guard would no longer work there but the files would exist - especially if it went to a tribunal. The role of HR is firstly to protect senior managers.

Isn't it ironic (don't you think) that Mitchell appears not to be kicking up a fuss that the fact he wrote to the IPCC complaining about police leaks to the press, has now been leaked to the press?

The campaigning by his team is a presentation in how to turn a news story on its head so that instead of being aggressor you become the victim, aided by a sympathetic section of the printed news media and a sympathetic TV News director who bought the story behind the "exclusive" footage as long as he could sell it alone.

The reason behind all of this is of course because he wants the top jobs and doesn't want his rash statement of the day after where he admitted behaviour unbecoming of a Minister (let alone a chief whip) to sit like a dirty smear on his CV for the rest of his parliamentary career.

When he is granted the EU job, universities all over this land will include this PR job in their media studies degree courses as the perfect case study in spin doctoring.

I'm sure that's very much the case in large companies.

But where there are under 100 staff and little if anything by way of HR – then not in my experience.

Mind, in my experience, HR is a pain in general. And people forget that such things were, in effect, foisted on the public sector when it was told, in general, that it had to start behaving like 'business'. So, press offices and HR departments and managers head-hunted from the private sector, even if that meant salaries had to be hiked (that last one was a very specific instruction).

As I've mentioned before, there are vans working around London on the sewer replacement project. they say: 'Murphy working with Optimise for Thames Water'. That's two lots of directors, two lots of shareholders, two HR departments, two press offices – etc etc – that have to be paid out of one job. It's bonkers.

What are you talking about? This is not some whistleblower with a just cause we are talking about. It was a serving police officer who leaked her confidentional report to the press for political reasons. The conduct of some of her police colleagues has also been disgraceful, yet you at no stage find this worrying because it doesn't fit your political prejudice that so often fills your pompous postings.

And why when another point of view is presented do you so comfortably slide into a smug insult and suggest trolling. Sorry if I have interrupted a left wing public service mutual back slappers club, but I though it was a public forum open to all and rugby league fans in particular.

You really would think that after Archer and Aitken, these arrogant tory 2@s would've learned their lesson.

I really do hope that Mitchell does go to law and the case is heard in open court. I'll be stocking up on popcorn

So guilty before proven speaks the voice of justice from the left.

Remind me of the score between Tory & Labour for recent imprisonments? You needn't include the drunken brawling.

I think you missed the point there.
I believe he was referring to Archer and Aitken because of the perjury involved.
"Trusty sword of truth" and all that.