I also remember what he said about the Conservatives. "A party of great vested interests, banded together in a formidable confederation, corruption at home, aggression to cover it up abroad...sentiment by the bucketful, patriotism by the imperial pint, the open hand at the public exchequer, the open door at the public house, dear food for the millions, cheap labour for the millionaire."

So it looks like May maybe taking us to war with Syria without consulting parliament. I have a feeling this may end up being more of an Iraq than a Falklands or Kosovo. Surely, we should wait until we heat the evidence that a chemical attack has been carried out, especially after the last one was proven to be false.

I hope she sees sense. Russia would utterly destroy us in a war.

And please, before someone links some daily mail propoganda about Russia’s ageing aircraft carrier fleet, just don’t and actually do your own research

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King James

BBC breakfast news presenter getting made to look like a right idiot by the former ambassador to Syria. It’s absolutely glorious!

Thank god for people like him

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King James

Ramping up the level of conflict in Syria, against Russia and without any parliamentary debate is just lunacy.
Eventually we will always follow the US, the price that we have to pay to maintain the "special relationship" but, to start launching missiles at Assaad is futile, it wont achieve anything and it will change nothing, just like the last time.

It's fine bombing Arab countries several thousand miles away who have no chance of direct retaliation, but should one Russian be killed in those bombings then we are in a whole new, terrifying ball game.

Ah the good old tried and tested link to the daily mail. Wonderful keep up the good work.

Quote ="Charlie Sheen"So it looks like May maybe taking us to war with Syria without consulting parliament. I have a feeling this may end up being more of an Iraq than a Falklands or Kosovo. Surely, we should wait until we heat the evidence that a chemical attack has been carried out, especially after the last one was proven to be false.'" proven? where, by whom? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43741140

Quote ="Charlie Sheen"So it looks like May maybe taking us to war with Syria without consulting parliament. I have a feeling this may end up being more of an Iraq than a Falklands or Kosovo. Surely, we should wait until we heat the evidence that a chemical attack has been carried out, especially after the last one was proven to be false.'" proven? where, by whom? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43741140

By 'us', you presumably mean NATO?

Quote ="PCollinson1990"proven? where, by whom? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43741140'" I think he's referring to the chemical attack in Syria last year. I don't think it was proven to be false though, I'm sure I read about an investigation which proved Sarin was used, dropped by a Syrian aircraft.

Quote ="PCollinson1990"proven? where, by whom? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43741140'" I think he's referring to the chemical attack in Syria last year. I don't think it was proven to be false though, I'm sure I read about an investigation which proved Sarin was used, dropped by a Syrian aircraft.

ah right, I think the rest of the world must be fairly sure if moving so much "kit" to the area.

I can't say I agree that it's our responsibility, and question just what the UN is for, it's always UK and US that take action.

It still doesn't sit right with me though - why would Assad do it now? Trump announced he was to withdraw from the area, he's clearly winning the war vs the rebels, he'd have to be a complete imbecile to carry out that attack now.



I agree to an extent, although we've been meddling in the region for 100 years, so we have to take some responsibility to try and fix it. I'm not sure dropping more bombs right now will fix anything though.

people tested positive for Sarin, so it was proven.

We've been meddling in things since 1095, if not earlier...

True. I just don't get why he'd decide to use it now. As I say, he must be a fkn idiot.




I was referring to more modern times since the Sykes-Picot, but you are indeed correct.

So air strikes have been launched. Assad just needs to go back to murdering his own people with small arms instead then the west won’t be bothered. Either that or just rename yourself Saudi Arabia or Israel so the west will sell you the weapons for murdering innocent people.

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King James

Indeed.
It's ok to murder millions of innocent people with bombs and bullets but, if you kill just a few (relatively speaking) with chemical weapons then "the west" will react.
Mrs May has never looked comfortable in front of the TV cameras but now that Trump has his hand firmly up her backside and once again, the UK has become the puppets of the US, she looks even more uncomfortable.
Just how much of this is outrage, for Syria using chemical weapons and how much is this to do with domestic politics.
Americans love a good skirmish (as long as there arent too many body bags coming back their way and May is desperate for something, anything, to give her a chance to remain at the helm.
Nobody and condone the use of chemical weapons but, what is the difference if people are being killed, needlessly ??

Over to you Mr Putin, it's your move next

I must have missed the news about "millions" being murdered recently, you got a link?

I still think that the bush/Blair Iraq war started a lot of this unrest in the Middle East. If you kick over a hornets nest you generally get a reaction. Certainly Iran have seized the opportunity to mischief make in Syria and Iraq.

successive UK & US "administrations" have tried to "fix" the region, and failed.

Chemical weapons are illegal. Bombs and bullets aren't. The use of chemical weapons violates international treaties and international criminal law.

I will go so far as to invoke Godwin's: even Hitler refrained from using chemical weapons on the battlefield.

Actually, I agree with you in principle. Assad is an animal and has been slaughtering his people for years. Stepping in just because the weapon has changed seems hypocritical. But at the same time ignoring a violation of international law sets a dangerous precedent.

The last thing the region actually needs is Assad removed from power. As has been proven elsewhere, a power vacuum in the Middle East is a great opportunity for the extremists. Even Saddam Hussein, as bad as he was, kept the radicals in check.

I expect Putin's response will be to target Western allies fighting Assad.

I’m glad you cleared it up that its only illegal to kill innocent people by Chemical weapons only

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King James

still waiting for all these links from you and wrencat...

I've stopped replying to him.

His reply to me above, for example, which demonstrates yet again he can only be an utter imbecile or a troll. The jury is out.

What link have you asked from me? Go on, quote your post where you have asked me?

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King James

Assad never used them on the battlefield either. He just used them on innocent children just like hittler did

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King James