I've a cold. Can't be a***d.

Then there'd be no advantage to Germany of being in the Eurozone. So it wouldn't exists anyhow.

You do struggle to think past nationalistic boundries, don't you Dally?

Nationalistic boundaries? The loony has enough issues within the shires of his homeland!

Ah yes German inflexibility of thought - that's why they were incapable of giving us Hegel and dialectics ....

Bit touchy about the capital of East Yorks are we?

And the logic of gassing the economically unproductive.

Not forgetting the construction of a glacial metropolis.

and the best most reliable motor cars

Quote ="peggy"and the best most reliable motor cars'" Which brands are the most reliable? In fact, to save you time here are the 10 most & least reliable: www.reliabilityindex.com/ Notice the number of Germans cars there? No German ones in the Top 10 MOST reliable. The reliability of German cars has become as much a myth as the perceived superiority of British cars, etc in the 1960s. There is no basis in reality. Or this if you prefer: www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars ... again.html

Quote ="peggy"and the best most reliable motor cars'" Which brands are the most reliable? In fact, to save you time here are the 10 most & least reliable: www.reliabilityindex.com/ Notice the number of Germans cars there? No German ones in the Top 10 MOST reliable. The reliability of German cars has become as much a myth as the perceived superiority of British cars, etc in the 1960s. There is no basis in reality. Or this if you prefer: www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars ... again.html

that's because they are made in england

They were pretty flexible back in 2003 at relaxing the rules when their budget deficit exceeded the 3% of GDP.

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So apart from Hegel, dialectics, and gassing the economicaly unproductive, what have the Germans ever done for us?

Given us a laugh on Eurotrash.

Off the top of my head?

Luther, Grünewald, Bach, Schubert, Haydn, Handel, Bach (there was more than one), Beethoven, Schumann, Wagner, Strauss (Richard), Brahms, Mahler, Neitzche, Schopenhauer, Kant, Marx, Brecht, Weill, Eisler, Grass, Mann (Thomas and Hienrich), Dietrich, Lang, Pabst, Goethe, Schiller, The Brothers Grimm, Dürer, Kraftwerk, Gutenberg ...

That's off the top of my head. And it ignores science and medicine, of which I have limited knowledge. But every one of those have influenced culture way beyond the boundaries of the German lands.

Kuntz.

Provided much John Motson hilarity in 1996.

And a great cover from [i90 Minutes[/i in the same year: 'Jammy Kuntz'.

Marx - was that Groucho or the lad from London?

Kraftwerk - I once saw them live. The Beatles they were not.

The Marx in question was from Trier - and his work on capital is being reassessed in recenyears as a lot of his analysis/predictions seems to be coming to fruition.

Let's not confuse irrational dislike of the Germans (just because they are German) with dislike of the monetarism [itheir government [/iis trying to impose across the Euro zone at the moment.

Germany has to be one of the most boring countries on Earth. Great tracts of land that look the same mile on mile (a few forests and Bavaria apart). I am of the opinion that the lansdcape accounts for the stereotype of the people. Compare with the UK, a smaller place but with a very diverse landscape, more coastline and variable weather. The people of Britain are relatively speaking far more culturally diverse, creative and innovative.

God, Dally, you really are an idiot.

I am a firm believer in envionmemtal determinism. Why else would Northerners be so torpid? Lack of sunlit hours.

Damn, I thought you of all people would have got a Monty Python reference.

how often have you visited Germany then Dally? I lived there for over 3 years , made some great friends too. The countryside is beautiful, the people around my age were fun, friendly, and knew how to laugh and had a sense of humour.