It's fairly obvious what Labour would do differently, end austerity.

What is really galling with the current situation is the endless "bragging" about our strong and stable economy and record numbers in employment and yet, we are slashing and burning the public sector.
Something clearly doesn't add up.

The reality is that we are creating very low paid jobs, which are not contributing to the exchequer and allowing too many people to avoid their share of taxation.

Our "strong" economy is an absolute myth and like turkeys voting for Christmas, we are stepping into the unknown of life outside the EU.

Apparently, trading with Australia and the US is going to save us ?

This thread is hilarious. Better than the Facebook wannabe politicians. When in reality you know nothing lol

Regards

King James

Myth according to whom? Typical remoaner, peddling lies. As I have said, I wanted to remain, but we aren't so I'll get on with it!

Do you really believe the U.K. economy is in rude health?




I would argue that there were more lies peddled by the racists, sorry brexiteers, at the time of the referendum, I was under the impression that Turkey was joining the E.U. as early as last year.





Get on with what?

Get on with life, sure, I presume we all are, but it doesn't mean those who wanted to stay in the E.U. should now just shut the hell up.

Quote ="PCollinson1990"Myth according to whom? Typical remoaner, peddling lies. As I have said, I wanted to remain, but we aren't so I'll get on with it!'" Is this a myth of it it you who is in denial : https://macromon.wordpress.com/2017/01/ ... economies/ 15/20 and below the EU average growth. Remoaner peddling lies more like leaver clutching at straws, with his fingers in his ears and whistling whilst pretending/hoping everything is going to be just fine. If it wasn't so sad it might be funny.

Quote ="PCollinson1990"Myth according to whom? Typical remoaner, peddling lies. As I have said, I wanted to remain, but we aren't so I'll get on with it!'" Is this a myth of it it you who is in denial : https://macromon.wordpress.com/2017/01/ ... economies/ 15/20 and below the EU average growth. Remoaner peddling lies more like leaver clutching at straws, with his fingers in his ears and whistling whilst pretending/hoping everything is going to be just fine. If it wasn't so sad it might be funny.

Quote ="wrencat1873"Is this a myth of it it you who is in denial : https://macromon.wordpress.com/2017/01/ ... economies/ 15/20 and below the EU average growth. Remoaner peddling lies more like leaver clutching at straws, with his fingers in his ears and whistling whilst pretending/hoping everything is going to be just fine. If it wasn't so sad it might be funny.'" How many times, I VOTED remain, but accept that I live in a democracy. None so blind as those that WILL NOT see. May as well leave it here, you've managed to kill the thread by not accepting the fact we are LEAVING!

Quote ="wrencat1873"Is this a myth of it it you who is in denial : https://macromon.wordpress.com/2017/01/ ... economies/ 15/20 and below the EU average growth. Remoaner peddling lies more like leaver clutching at straws, with his fingers in his ears and whistling whilst pretending/hoping everything is going to be just fine. If it wasn't so sad it might be funny.'" How many times, I VOTED remain, but accept that I live in a democracy. None so blind as those that WILL NOT see. May as well leave it here, you've managed to kill the thread by not accepting the fact we are LEAVING!

I was replying to your post inferring that I was peddling lies


Btw, we haven't left yet although, I do accept that we are on our way out.

After yesterday's shambolic performance at the party conference, this had to be worth a "bump".
She's got her P45 but, she hasn't gone yet.

Certainly a "dead" woman walking, it's just a case of when Boris fancies another shot ??

Rumours of Tory Remainers plotting her downfall. Let's be honest, her tenure as leader/PM has been a farce.

Personally, I still think there should be another referendum, based on the facts on what a post-EU Britain would look like once negotiations are concluded. At the moment, just like last year, we have no idea.

I'm remain, but I'm not a staunch remainer by any means, and if after negotiations they can say we've got a deal for x, y & z, and I believe that me, my family & Britain would be better off under the new deal, I'd vote for it. But, you don't buy a house without going to view it first, doing a survey, searches etc do you?

There was so much bullshine & misconceptions flying around from both sides that for me it rendered the whole referendum a joke.

We've had some poor Prime Ministers in the past but, I really cant remember the country having such a lame duck.
Everyone realises that she has to go and even the ministers coming out in support of her, aren't exactly glowing in their praise.
If the highest recommendation of any leader is that they managed to complete a speech, despite having a cold, it's a real worry.
Of course, the elephant in the room is the spit party, standing behind her, which is certainly holding back any would be contenders, not to mention the sand slipping through the Brexit hourglass so quickly.

Although I dont like the bloke, they should put Farage in charge of Brexit or, someone who can put party politics to one side.
Get the thing done and lets move forward, because, right now, the country is going to slide towards yet another recession and probably take the EU27 with it.

Wow - there's pragmatism, and there's downright desperation; that's quite possibly the worst idea I've seen around Brexit, short of actually doing it.

Why, exactly? Give me your list of (I'm sure) well-considered reasons 'she has to go'.

Wactching Channel 4 News isn't a reason.




Give over. You're being sucked in by the leftist press trying to influence events and stir hype out of nothing. Boris, for example, is a blunt instrument, yes, but he could fart 'I adore Mrs May' to the tune of 'Ode to Joy' whilst playing a banjo with his teeth and the TV media would do nothing but criticise his choice of guff-inducing cuisine.

Her election campaign chose a terrible time to announce 'difficult' policies (yet she still won) and her speech didn't go all that well. Aside from that, move on, there is nothing to see here. A speech is just a speech, only the media make it out to be important.

In reality things are progressing pretty much as expected. This was always going to be a tough, tit-for-tat negotiation - unless of course you choose to suck up to the leftist media worshipping Mr Barnier's every word and robotically deriding everything any representative of the UK says in relation to Brexit.


The EU27 are doomed either way. Massive movement of people is causing both origin and destination countries massive issues, the refugee/migration crisis continues its inevitable car crash as German guilt exposes the EU and especially the Schengen regions, the Euro continues to screw the most of Southern Europe, unemployment is rife and the Germanics at the helm want to drag the 27 so much deeper into the mire over the next few decades it would be comedic if proposed on 'Yes, Minister'.

The UK might face a reasonable rollercoaster over the next few years but long-term we are so much better out of the EU tyranny. Thank fook for that.

Are we better off? Apart from the financial industry, which the main attraction is being a gateway to the rest of Europe, what does Britain have to offer the rest of the world? We have 70 million customers, but with wages, and disposable income decreasing, and the credit bubble increasing those customers won't have much money to spare.
The EU is an abhorrent institution, and we could well be better off out of it, but none of people in charge have any idea how to achieve that.

You want me to give you reasons why she "has to go".

1/ The primary reason that would be that she is a diabolical leader of both her own party and the country.
2/ Calling an election (breaking the 5 year rule that her own party put in place), to secure an increased majority and allow "strong and stable" government and yet leaving the country with a hung parliament.
3/ Allowing her own ministers (Boris) to publicly mock her and go against party line.

Do you really need me to go on ffs.

Everyone knows that she will not lead the Tories into the next election and her "colleagues" in the Tory party are circling like groups of wild animals, ready to divide up her political corpse.
They are just working out who and when they will go for the kill.

She looked like a jibbering wind bag in the election campaign and clearly, she is just not up to leading her party or, the country.

When she does go, there will still be a huge problem for her successor, in that, the Tories are bitterly divided on Europe (as are Labour) and making decisions that ruffle the feathers of either side will make them equally unpopular both within their own party and amongst the electorate.

I find it quite amusing that you believe that things are progressing pretty much "as expected".
The Tories expected to pretty much wipe Labour off the political landscape and had that happened, then perhaps she could have driven through some of her ideas and policies.

As things have turned out, we have an impotent government, clinging onto power by doing a "deal" with the DUP (who have yet to take full advantage of their influence) and in light of recent events with the US levy on Bombardier (the same US that we were pinning our hopes of an early trade deal), this situation has become somewhat more polarised.

Perhaps you could enlighten us on just how you think life after Brexit will pan out, paying particular attention to a hard/soft border with N. Ireland and tariffs in either direction with the EU27.

As for the leftist press, get real, there is and has been for some time massive media bias in favour of the right wing of British politics and does anyone watch channel 4

they have about as much influence on British politics as Mrs May, about zero.

I agree with you on mass migration, an "experiment" which was always going to cause far more problems than it solved.

However, was it yourself or one of your other "friends" on here, who predicted the fall of the leaders of the "Euro friendly" nations.

France, Germany, Holland etc, have all re-elected Pro-Euro leaders and your own prophecies seem to be further than ever from reality.

Regarding the self serving rulers in Brussels, again, I agree with you but, remember, we have our very own version of this both in Westminster and the House of Lords - All aboard the gravy train.

1/ In your view, which is formed by what you see/read in the media. Unless you're a cabinet member of course.
2/ Any party would have strongly considered doing the same in the same position, and most would have gone ahead. Remember, they were flying in the polls. What went wrong was that some idiot decided an election campaign was the best time to announce 'difficult' policies. Nevertheless...they still won, whatever Corbyn thinks.
3/ Nothing in it except certain sections of the media hanging on his every syllable, desperate for some scandal.


They do? Despite pretty much everyone (even most journalists) saying there is no appetite within the Tory Party for a change of leadership (the occasional opportunist MP aside)?


In terms of the EU, yes they are. Talks are difficult but ongoing, the EU are showing their bitter colours and pretty much every journalist on our screens laps up everything Barnier spews while blindly condemning Davis. I've always said extricating ourselves from the EU would not be easy.


I've given my view several times on here.


Granted, the printed press is majority centre-to-right. However, TV and online press are massively biased to the left. Embarrassingly so. The BBC and Channel 4 aren't even subtle about, ITV and Sky do a better job. Online is just a flood of leftist propaganda.


No, I predicted Germany would vote Merkel in again despite the enormous and growing ill-feeling against her immigration policy; that their sheer stubbornness would prevent them considering anyone else. This from someone who works with dozens of UK-based Germans and visits Germany regularly. Holland I thought might shift further right but I never truly thought France would vote in Le Pen - although I hoped they would simply for the shock it would cause the EU, and the vague hope it could lead to the EU admitting it needs to change. Instead they're hurtling headlong into 'ever closer union'.

That's the main problem with the EU. For all the good it does, its faults are enormous and damaging. But they will NEVER EVER admit it, and they will NEVER reform, because that would involve admitting they were wrong. And that's why getting out is the best option. Because the only other option is getting deeper and deeper in the mire.


So we certainly don't need another layer of 'em, do we. At least we can vote our lot out from time to time.

Cronus, do you really think that she will lead the Tories into the next general election, really ??

You say there is no appetite for a GE, which, of course there isnt, as they (the Tories) would probably lose.

However, within her own part, there are plenty wanting rid of her.
Most are keeping their powder dry but, that doesn't mean that they are not plotting and biding their time.

I'm 65 and in my opinion Thatcher is by far the worst PM I've had to endure. She lacked compassion, ruined the countrys manufacturing base, took the country to war, increased the homeless on our streets, deregulated the banks, made her son a millionaire knight...need i go on?

May is weak, and I don't me personally, just has no backing from her party MPs . We have to remember it was a pretty bad selection to choose from overall, and even now, it is hard to see anyone who could unite the Tories, let alone May who is just about holding the cabinet together and that is probably because Boris is there.

They are close to capitulating, but I don't really see it happening in 2018, probably just before we leave in 2019 unless they can pull the unlikely out of the bag with EU negoiations........

Whatever happens she will be out of time before 2022.

Yes you could go on! The deregulation of the banks ultimately led to the banking crisis of 2008 (PIP mis-selling, sub prime lending Northern Rock, etc..). The then Chancellor Alistair Darling had to then implement measures that were then compared to Labour's 1983 manifesto! When Chris Mullen MP later told the Chancellor that he had just implemented Labour's 1983 manifesto, he replied 'Yes, and with enthusiastic Tory support!!')

And what do we have now e.g. Sir Philip Green former tax advisor (very careful where he pays his taxes, everything is in wife's name, who is resident in the tax haven of Monaco!) to ex PM Cameron. Sir Philip sells BHS to a chancer for £1 after pocketing all the assets. BHS then goes bust and 11,000 people lose their jobs and then just for good measure he takes £500,000,000 out the pension fund. So retirees current and future can now look forward to a reduced pension. When challenged to this he pays back a fraction of what he took out, but only out of shear embarrassment.

All this was done legally! Prime Minister said 'the BHS scandal was unacceptable and wanted to reform capitalism and would bring in government measures to do so'. It should be no surprise that this promise along with all the others uttered by Mrs.May has come to nothing and it's business as usual in the 'City'.

Mrs.May was very quick though to find £1,500,000,000 after the last GE (blows a 20 point lead in the polls, after a completely inept performance) as a bribe to the DUP for their support after losing her majority. We were constantly told though there was no magic money tree, but apparently there was when her own political skin was a risk! It's a shame the same urgency cannot be found for the NHS or the homeless!

more socialist worker rhetoric, this place is daft.

majority of posters would probably remove the right to vote from women and anyone under 60

Yes, the well known socialist policies of removing votes from women and young people...

no, not policy, just what I can tell from certain posters. I would imagine I could chuck homophobic and xenophobic in there for some as well.

every thread is basically "when I was a lad" just worded differently, it is all "Thatchers' fault", no acknowledgent of the Unions role in the demise of the economy, the illegal war in Iraq, invading Afghanistan, selling gold at a record low,

Socialism is great, I mean, it works in, eeeeerm, nowhere.

Ooookaaay then...

New Labour werent socialists

Regards

King James

Unfortunately may is a weak prime minister. She is definitely not a conservative, she is following on in Cameron’s footsteps. He was a big fan of Blair, so converted the tories into a European style socialist democrat party. She has carried on with this theme. Remember as Home Secretary she virtually abolished stop and search. Part of the knife crime carnage in London is down to her weakness. Not forgetting citizen khans woeful term as London mayor. Both main political parties are weak and have cornered the market in dimwits. The majority seem to be in the Labour Party. Heaven help this country if jezza and his Trotsky/Marx comrades come to power. Jus remember what Winston Churchill said of socialism “ it’s a philosophy of failure the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. It’s inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery “