Where have we heard that before?

And referring to the French as "frogs" is racist, anyone using that term is demonstrating their limited intelligence.

Thanks for that and the veiled insults, always appreciated.

My opinion is just that, usually allowed on an open forum ??

However, my personal experience has, for over 25 years, involved importing goods from the EU and the far East.
Indeed, the company that I worked for, employed over 250 people and was part of a larger group, employing around 1500.
So, perhaps, I have more knowledge than some other posters on tisi forum with regards to importing and exporting to and from the UK.

The sensationalist media as you call them, that we should no longer listen to, are the very same media who supported the leave campaign but,
we'll ignore your double standards, shall we ?

There are many businesses that are concerned about the effects of Brexit but, of course, life has to go on and they, primarily for the benefit of their shareholders, have to talk the situation up, so as not to damage their perceived position.

Nobody, in the outside world is going to publically say that "we're screwed" but, some businesses certainly will be and the effects of the approx 15% currency deflation are still working their way through the system, which hurts everyone in the country and the prospect of additional tariffs with hurt even more. However, the sun will still rise in the morning and the world will continue to turn.

However, next time you are with the high rollers and mover-shakers of the UK, perhaps you should ask them just how much better off their employees will be, once we have secured our "deal" with the EU.

PS, sorry that my opinion differs from yours but, I'm chuffed that we dont all share the same ideology as Farage and Le Penn

Is it racist or is just another Brexit straw you remainers are clutching to?

I'm assuming Yank, Aussie, Pom........ etc are now all of limits

Keep importing in your family cottage industry (and believing the nonsense in your lefty publications) and leave the thickets to sit in high level Mgt positions in global tech companies.(reading the mail). But thanks for the endorsement.

Oh stop whining. You've been at it for months, especially on this thread. Nothing veiled about it, I think you're a whinging snowflake.


And?


Double standards? You have no idea which media I pay attention to.

A phrase you hear from time to time in relation to the 2007 crash and Brexit is 'self-fulfilling prophecy'. As in, the more the media and politicians talk disaster, the more likely it is to happen, bearing in mind the markets (including fx) rely in part on confidence. So yes, I believe we should pay less attention to plenty of the media.


Ok, so perhaps my wording was a little blasé, of course Brexit is a topic within the business community. But it's not seen as a looming disaster. If you're telling me everyone's just putting a brave face on it for the sake of shareholders, you're talking out yer arris.


"Currency rates can go up as well as down". Let's wait for the long-term effects. As I said, the markets react to 'confidence', which can be hugely damaged by the media and their tales of looming terror. The grim predictions following Brexit didn't materialise, as they haven't following Article 50.


Why would they be any better off? What a bizarre statement.

As I said, there aren't that many businesses I come across with huge concerns. The point you're missing is that businesses can - and have done since 2007 - adapt, change, find new markets, new suppliers, new opportunities. The weak and poorly led might wither and die but the strong will flourish. Brexit is no different.


Snowflake.

Thats the last we will see of the Cat- owned

Why is it remainers seem to be able to predict the outcome but the majority of voters don't!

TBH i'm sick of the whole thing now.. The only thing we can be certain of at the moment in this whole debacle is that companies have started to edge their bets by setting up offices in the EU.

Will brexit be a success?

No one knows but as someone who voted remain, as long as me and my family are fine then i couldn't give a rats ass about anyone else. However I do reserve the right to sit their with a smug face and say 'I told you so' while watching the brexiteers moan about the state of the country when or if it all fails.

Cronus in my contacts are better than yours and I know better mode.

Oops forgot the insults which I use to sound clever mode

Followed by wire Quinn still brown nosing.

No one knows what will happen with Brexit but short term all the uncertainty it is not looking good.

When lots of companies are sitting arms up outside of the UK it is not a good sign.

The issue is how much if the Tory free market ideas will be implemented and what effect will they have.

Low wage economy benefit caps to force the unemployed in the inner cities to seek jobs picking fruit ! Cuts in services which are having a terrible effect on delivery of services such as in health operations cancelled schools underfunded 70 % of LAs failing inspections.

Who knows where it will all end and the damage to social cohesion we face .

And much of this is partly driven by ideology but most importantly because the Government cannot. Make any decent short or medium term funding decisions because they have to save money to cope with possible Brexit effects that they do not know will happen.

Why shouldn't the unemployed be picking fruit, is it beneath them? That's the problem (or part), too many just sitting at home because benefits are easier than work. As for "social cohesion" that's just some words created by liberals, the world is a contest, not a village fair

Wow.

PLease accept my full and sincere apologies for daring to have a different opinion to your own, i am not worthy, I am not worthy



I absolutely love your dismissive nature, it's brilliant, especially to my comment about the employees of your "wealthy" friends being worse off and how that isn't a problem.
According to the leave campaign we were going to all be better off post Brexit and there was going to be an extra £350 million a week for the NHS and you sound like you bought into the dream and I'm the snowflake



You rightly say that currency levels fluctuate and of course they do, we used to get $4 to the £ and not the current $1.25 ??, so the UK must be doing really well then ?

You still cant give any indication of the up side to Brexit which puts you in the "fingers crossed" brigade.

As for the weak withering and dying, what a great philosophy you have.
Maybe you are advocating a return to the jungle instead trying to propagate a civilised society.

Listening to different opinions will allow you to learn something.
Remember, a blind optimist (or Brexitier) is still blind

What's become clear on here over the last couple of days is that the remainers don't have the answers now they've been put on the spot. They've criticised repeatedly the decision of the country and jumped on the back of scaremongering, but have offered nothing of note that will demonstrably impact negatively on the UK. They are just the noisy minority, typically left wing poor losers throwing out cheesy modern terms such as 'social cohesion' & 'ideology'. What the hell are they?

OK, so some companies will set up satellite offices in the EU but business is evolutionary and very fluid. The days of a mine in the local village or a ship being built in the local docks are long gone. Its a big every moving fluid world we live in.

Maybe because most of those hit by the recent reductions in housing benefit are single mothers who would find it hard to get to Norfolk from Birmingham or London

Why is someone supporting brexit a "blind optimist"? The vote is done, we've activated article 50, it's happening, albeit slowly. It's a reality we all have to face now, regardless of wether we agree with it or not. Maybe time to stop chucking insults around.

Had the referendum result been the other way around I'm sure the leave side would have sucked it up and not uttered a word of criticism, despite going on about it for 40 years previously.

Naive to think that people will just face up to it. It's polarised a lot of the population. People will be arguing about it for decades to come.

It would have been business as usual not bitter resentment like we are seeing from the Lefties

Yup, but as I said, it's started, so let's get on with it.

Do you mean the "remainers " dont have the answers ??
We are waiting to be led to Utopia by the "leave" brigade, you know, the ones with their fingers crossed.

You are absolutely right about business being fluid and companies wanting access to the EU market are less likely to site their business in the UK , if this is the market that they wish to supply.
This in not scaremongering, just plain common sense.

Obviously the same could apply in reverse and those wanting to supply goods for the UK market may come over here but the UK is somewhat smaller than the EU, although, some of the oldies still think that we rule the world.

You're funny.

Indeed, Farage was already lining up his speech to call for a re run and then he realised he'd actually won.
He'd already said that it wouldn't be the last one and then suddenly it's the one and only.
The people have spoken.

Pressure has to be kept up on the clowns running the country.
Even without a totally free reign, they are taking food from peoples mouths. and form the disabled.

The heaviest cuts to social services since the war.

The Tories love their austerity cuts.

You mean like Nigel "unfinished business" Farage said?

Try again

What do you think Labour would have done - either tax and spend or borrow and spend and compound an already grim position - I wonder where the Tories inherited that position from?

So Jeremy wants to add VAT to school fees why not VAT on union subscriptions too? Both are discretionary spend from taxed income - maybe McCluskey's final salary scheme pension might then be under pressure and we can't have that now can we?

It's largely irrelevant what Labour may have done as they are not in power (and are unlikely to be in charge for many, many years).
The very fact that Mrs May spouts on about a fair society and looking after the less well off and then slashes benefits for those who, for whatever reason, can not work is just utter hypocrisy.

Add to that, the "strong economy" that we keep being told about and then just to bring this back on topic, the cost of Brexit, which they are trying to accumulate some kind of war chest.

At the risk of being accused of negativity (again), we may have to find 10's of billions to exit the EU club and of course someone has to pay.

Should we tax the better off members of society or, take of the less well off, many of whom are struggling to get by already.

Fair society my @rse, the Tories are loving every minute of cutting the welfare state and Corbyn is fecking impotent and cannot and will not do anything about it.

And just for the bullies on here, this is happening now. It's not a maybe of could be, the welfare cuts are real and whilst some may be justified, I'm just happy to be one of the better off people who would be "happy" to pay more tax.

Ah bullies now, another overused vogue word to add to racist amongst many other cheesy terms...... Maybe its just an alternative opinion.

Do you genuinely think intelligent people, albeit Tories 'are loving every minute of cutting the welfare state'? No Genuinely

I was refering to your "friend" cronus, dont be so sensitive.
It seems like it's the remain side that are a bit uneasy about being questioned, why is that ?