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The evolution of predictive text is an example of how machine learning has developed under our own eyes, without us really noticing how powerful, and accurate, it has become.
When it first started, it could pretty much complete a word, but it had to almost see a majority of the letters typed to offer up what it thought you were typing. It was often wrong, but got better as the technology improved.
It then developed into predicting what the next word would be, based on how a simple sentence is structured. Then a more complex sentence based on the previous words used in the sentence.
Then it became more personalised to the user, by building a dictionary of commonly typed words to suggest.
Then there was the feature that learnt from the user's writing style, by analysing texts and emails.
I've had the same Android phone for the last six years. It's scanned multiple emails and texts, and has built up a dictionary so personal, it knows pretty much every word I use. All my nuances, slang, swear words, brand names, beer styles, rugby teams, places. When I start a text to certain people, it pretty much knows the tone of the text by multiple words in advance, and can almost complete the sentences for me.
I haven't programmed it in the traditional sense of programming. It's just learnt from repetition over a period of time.
This is an interesting read regarding the future of predictive text.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019 ... new-yorker
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The evolution of predictive text is an example of how machine learning has developed under our own eyes, without us really noticing how powerful, and accurate, it has become.
When it first started, it could pretty much complete a word, but it had to almost see a majority of the letters typed to offer up what it thought you were typing. It was often wrong, but got better as the technology improved.
It then developed into predicting what the next word would be, based on how a simple sentence is structured. Then a more complex sentence based on the previous words used in the sentence.
Then it became more personalised to the user, by building a dictionary of commonly typed words to suggest.
Then there was the feature that learnt from the user's writing style, by analysing texts and emails.
I've had the same Android phone for the last six years. It's scanned multiple emails and texts, and has built up a dictionary so personal, it knows pretty much every word I use. All my nuances, slang, swear words, brand names, beer styles, rugby teams, places. When I start a text to certain people, it pretty much knows the tone of the text by multiple words in advance, and can almost complete the sentences for me.
I haven't programmed it in the traditional sense of programming. It's just learnt from repetition over a period of time.
This is an interesting read regarding the future of predictive text.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019 ... new-yorker
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Quote ="Mild Rover"I'm thinking of something like the Minds in the Culture series of novels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture
While made-up, they are interesting and entertaining.
Does a post-scarcity future, managed by hyperintelligent AIs, appeal hypothetically? Or would the lack of economic competition and status make it feel sterile, d'you reckon?'"
I read those books and it struck me that if the development of AI was in the hands of benevolent actors, that is more than likely what they would aim for; it was refreshing to explore a utopian future, rather than the dystopia that is often the default of sci-fi writers. Cory Doctorow has also written some interesting stuff around post-scarcity anarchy, and the future of society and how it interacts with technology.
To the question - I would happily live as a Culture citizen:
"The Culture's economy is maintained automatically by its non-sentient machines, with high-level work entrusted to the Minds' subroutines, which allows its humanoid and drone citizens to indulge their passions, romances, hobbies, or other activities, without servitude. Biologically, the Culture's citizens have been genetically enhanced to live for centuries, and have modified mental control over their physiology, including the ability to introduce a variety of psychoactive drugs into their systems, change biological sex, or switch off pain at will. Culture technology is able to transform individuals into vastly different body forms, although the Culture standard form remains fairly close to human."
Works for me.
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Quote ="Mild Rover"I'm thinking of something like the Minds in the Culture series of novels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture
While made-up, they are interesting and entertaining.
Does a post-scarcity future, managed by hyperintelligent AIs, appeal hypothetically? Or would the lack of economic competition and status make it feel sterile, d'you reckon?'"
I read those books and it struck me that if the development of AI was in the hands of benevolent actors, that is more than likely what they would aim for; it was refreshing to explore a utopian future, rather than the dystopia that is often the default of sci-fi writers. Cory Doctorow has also written some interesting stuff around post-scarcity anarchy, and the future of society and how it interacts with technology.
To the question - I would happily live as a Culture citizen:
"The Culture's economy is maintained automatically by its non-sentient machines, with high-level work entrusted to the Minds' subroutines, which allows its humanoid and drone citizens to indulge their passions, romances, hobbies, or other activities, without servitude. Biologically, the Culture's citizens have been genetically enhanced to live for centuries, and have modified mental control over their physiology, including the ability to introduce a variety of psychoactive drugs into their systems, change biological sex, or switch off pain at will. Culture technology is able to transform individuals into vastly different body forms, although the Culture standard form remains fairly close to human."
Works for me.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I read those books and it struck me that if the development of AI was in the hands of benevolent actors, that is more than likely what they would aim for; it was refreshing to explore a utopian future, rather than the dystopia that is often the default of sci-fi writers. Cory Doctorow has also written some interesting stuff around post-scarcity anarchy, and the future of society and how it interacts with technology.
To the question - I would happily live as a Culture citizen:
"The Culture's economy is maintained automatically by its non-sentient machines, with high-level work entrusted to the Minds' subroutines, which allows its humanoid and drone citizens to indulge their passions, romances, hobbies, or other activities, without servitude. Biologically, the Culture's citizens have been genetically enhanced to live for centuries, and have modified mental control over their physiology, including the ability to introduce a variety of psychoactive drugs into their systems, change biological sex, or switch off pain at will. Culture technology is able to transform individuals into vastly different body forms, although the Culture standard form remains fairly close to human."
Works for me.'"
Fantasy works for some, we all have views and opinions, and we are better for it. Personally I do not think AI is a positive thing... taken to it's extreme, when robots can build robots where does the human race fit in. Maybe our extinction will be at the hands of drones and droids. We have middle ages thinking ruling Parliament (MP's can vote, but the "Lords" can vote them down), Governments make decisions, but the unelected "Supreme" court dig up legislation older than Ken Clarke.
As an example, Windows 7 is no longer supported, what is to say AI x.y will not become defunct.
Utopia is a VERY dangerous dream, and I defy anyone to build AI that feels true love, hate, remorse, compassion, hunger, the need to procreate.
Society has spent thousands of years believing in a book, by some blokes, about a virgin, who got pregnant via an omnipresent god, who sent his son to slaughter. A man who built a boat that saved 2 of everything (no mention of sea creatures not needing saving), a man who recieved some tablets on the mountain... a bloke who seperated a sea, another bloke who defeated a bloke much bigger....
humanity is built on myth and legend, AI is the next one.
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| Quote ="IR80"Utopia is a VERY dangerous dream, and I defy anyone to build AI that feels true love, hate, remorse, compassion, hunger, the need to procreate.'"
I would have thought that the very human qualities you've described are exactly what you *wouldn't* want an AI to feel - as they're what produce irrational, flawed and illogical decisions and subsequently, actions; all the things that a benevolent oversight model should seek to eliminate - so that us lesser, biological entities, with all our flaws and idiosyncrasies, could enact them freely, without causing harm to society.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I read those books and it struck me that if the development of AI was in the hands of benevolent actors, that is more than likely what they would aim for; it was refreshing to explore a utopian future, rather than the dystopia that is often the default of sci-fi writers. Cory Doctorow has also written some interesting stuff around post-scarcity anarchy, and the future of society and how it interacts with technology.
To the question - I would happily live as a Culture citizen:
"The Culture's economy is maintained automatically by its non-sentient machines, with high-level work entrusted to the Minds' subroutines, which allows its humanoid and drone citizens to indulge their passions, romances, hobbies, or other activities, without servitude. Biologically, the Culture's citizens have been genetically enhanced to live for centuries, and have modified mental control over their physiology, including the ability to introduce a variety of psychoactive drugs into their systems, change biological sex, or switch off pain at will. Culture technology is able to transform individuals into vastly different body forms, although the Culture standard form remains fairly close to human."
Works for me.'"
Yeah, sounds alright dunnit? I agree about the utopian take. There’s a theory that entertainment tones tends to go in the opposite direction to societies’ current feeling. So real-world hard times drive up production of happy, feelgood stories and good times see more gritty realism on the page/screen. I’m a bit dubious about the theory, but all the ecological breakdown and demagoguery I need, I can get from the news.
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| Quote ="IR80"
Utopia is a VERY dangerous dream, and I defy anyone to build AI that feels true love, hate, remorse, compassion, hunger, the need to procreate.
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Over what sort of time frame? Like, ever? Do you think it is impossible or infeasible even in the long-term?
Do you think intelligence sentience require emotion and desire?
Do you believe in the soul (or similar, if you prefer a different word)?
I agree there are dangers in dreams of any particular Utopia, in that it could inspire people to ruthlessness that they believe is justified by their goal. But would you agree that it is desirable (if almost inherently unachievable) goal?
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Over what sort of time frame? Like, ever? Do you think it is impossible or infeasible even in the long-term?
Do you think intelligence sentience require emotion and desire?
Do you believe in the soul (or similar, if you prefer a different word)?
I agree there are dangers in dreams of any particular Utopia, in that it could inspire people to ruthlessness that they believe is justified by their goal. But would you agree that it is desirable (if almost inherently unachievable) goal?'"
Anything is possible - the beauty of the human is the way we all react differently to exactly the same input. Are we going have AI that react in 7 billion different ways to one single input?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Anything is possible - the beauty of the human is the way we all react differently to exactly the same input. Are we going have AI that react in 7 billion different ways to one single input?'"
I think it is plausible, yes, given the complexity required. Even non-sentient, narrow function bots respond differently to the same input. I think key to it is that they wouldn’t be designed in a traditional sense. In that sense, I agree with IR80 that nobody is going to ‘build’ an AI based on blueprints or similar.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Anything is possible - the beauty of the human is the way we all react differently to exactly the same input. Are we going have AI that react in 7 billion different ways to one single input?'"
Over time, with AI taking full effect, would it's influence take out some of the "bumps" in how we all behave, with human beings becoming more and more like the robot's that are having more and more influence on our lives.
It's the nuance within our thoughts and reactions that would be hardest to detect by "machine" and as you say, we could all be thinking "exactly" the same but, our reactions would usually be different.
Taking bereavement as an example, we may all be equally upset at the loss of someone but, one person would have uncontrollable grief, wheras the next person may still be able to carry on.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Yeah, sounds alright dunnit? I agree about the utopian take. There’s a theory that entertainment tones tends to go in the opposite direction to societies’ current feeling. So real-world hard times drive up production of happy, feelgood stories and good times see more gritty realism on the page/screen. I’m a bit dubious about the theory, but all the ecological breakdown and demagoguery I need, I can get from the news.'"
Indeed - I'm a huge fan of Bladerunner; these days however, it just feels like a documentary.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Over time, with AI taking full effect, would it's influence take out some of the "bumps" in how we all behave, with human beings becoming more and more like the robot's that are having more and more influence on our lives.
It's the nuance within our thoughts and reactions that would be hardest to detect by "machine" and as you say, we could all be thinking "exactly" the same but, our reactions would usually be different.
Taking bereavement as an example, we may all be equally upset at the loss of someone but, one person would have uncontrollable grief, wheras the next person may still be able to carry on.'"
For AI to really work we would need a far better understanding of the human brain than we currently do.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Indeed - I'm a huge fan of Bladerunner; these days however, it just feels like a documentary.'"
Quote ="Sal Paradise"For AI to really work we would need a far better understanding of the human brain than we currently do.'"
In terms of sentience and awareness of self, I somewhat agree. In terms of thought and memory, i’m not so sure.
The human brain evolved without anybody understanding the brains of our early mammalian ancestors. It some ways it seems to be more about creating the conditions and massive and repeated trial and error. Maybe our current bots are the equivalent of simple microbes - which are a long way from our intelligent human life, but it is where our path to this started.
Nobody wholly ‘understands’ the algorithms that run so much of the internet and digital trading markets, just how well they do and don’t work subjectively.
A whole new set of ethics and legislation would be required, that’s for sure. At least we’ll have e-philosophers to help draft them. Or dictate them, depending on their outlook and the power balance.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"For AI to really work we would need a far better understanding of the human brain than we currently do.'"
And therin lies the problem, trying to use binary to beat evolution,
Computers etc. have their place, that is beyond doubt, but they will never replace flesh and bone (human or other species).
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| Quote ="IR80"And therin lies the problem, trying to use binary to beat evolution,
Computers etc. have their place, that is beyond doubt, but they will never replace flesh and bone (human or other species).'"
Are [iin silico[/i 1s and 0s that different in principle to [iin vivo[/i As, Ts, Cs and Gs?
Cars largely displaced horses in transport. Automation has been replacing humans in many jobs for decades and that seems set to accelerate.
Does it have to be about beating evolution? Could it be collaborative rather than competitive?
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Are [iin silico[/i 1s and 0s that different in principle to [iin vivo[/i As, Ts, Cs and Gs?
Cars largely displaced horses in transport. Automation has been replacing humans in many jobs for decades and that seems set to accelerate.
Does it have to be about beating evolution? Could it be collaborative rather than competitive?'"
1 and 0 are far removed from the constituent parts of the double helix (give up trying to be clever, nobody is impressed), you want to believe in AI, whatever makes you happy. Facts remain that biology beats science, every time.
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| Quote ="IR80"1 and 0 are far removed from the constituent parts of the double helix (give up trying to be clever, nobody is impressed), you want to believe in AI, whatever makes you happy. Facts remain that biology beats science, every time.'"
In what way? it is just coding.
As you don’t like me trying to be clever, I shan’t start waffling on about histones, DNA methylation and epigenetics. Oops, too late.
Given that biology is a science, I assume you mean biological life beats technological advancement every time. That seems to be patently untrue rather than a fact that remains.
I’m not sure I want to believe in future AIs or that it makes me happy. I just find it plausible and interesting.
So anyway, Boris Johnson. He’s been quite quiet, which is nice. Allowed us to have this little chat that has proved that it isn’t just politics, we don’t agree on much of anything.
What shall we argue about next?
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"
What shall we argue about next?'"
That's more like it.
That Rovers will come bottom of the 2020 Super League?
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| Quote ="WIZEB"That's more like it.
That Rovers will come bottom of the 2020 Super League?'"
Something else that I find plausible but doesn’t necessarily make me happy!
‘We’ are trying our best in a sensible enough way, it seems. That’s something, at least.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"In what way? it is just coding.
As you don’t like me trying to be clever, I shan’t start waffling on about histones, DNA methylation and epigenetics. Oops, too late.
Given that biology is a science, I assume you mean biological life beats technological advancement every time. That seems to be patently untrue rather than a fact that remains.
I’m not sure I want to believe in future AIs or that it makes me happy. I just find it plausible and interesting.
So anyway, Boris Johnson. He’s been quite quiet, which is nice. Allowed us to have this little chat that has proved that it isn’t just politics, we don’t agree on much of anything.
What shall we argue about next?'"
The thing is, we disagree, but not argue. I respect your opinion on things, even if we don't share them. One opinion I do share is that KR are doing their best, and I hope they stay up. kR offer a damn sight more than TWP, Leigh, Widnes, but that is a wholly different topic.
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Surely AI could do it now? We could just get voice clips of Ray French, Stevo and let the AI monitor the game and when it picks up certain patterns of play, use the relevant voice clip...
"Ooooo NOW THEN! Now! Has he scored? I think he has you know!"
"This 6 foot 4 inch former Blackbrook amateur, signed for FORTY-THOUSAND-POUND"
"That'll be T-R-Y for mine!"
"I'd try for the one pointer"
"Maybe its time for the chip over the top"
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| Quote ="IR80"The thing is, we disagree, but not argue. I respect your opinion on things, even if we don't share them.'"
Quote ="IR80"give up trying to be clever, nobody is impressed'"
Strange.
Anyhow - I tend to fall into the camp that thinks (hopes?) that AI can develop to operate collaboratively with humans; and I'm not convinced that it relies entirely on a total understanding of human intelligence - since machine learning works entirely differently to how we learn.
The unfortunate thing with a discussion like this, when it lands in the public sphere, is that the phenomenon of bad science almost always infects the discussion; for newspaper editors who don't understand the science, and probably don't want to, AI is not interesting unless you can include a picture of The Terminator, and spout prophecies of doom about the rise of the machines. As is often the case in mainstream media, most conversations are framed within a black and white logical fallacy, wherein the ongoing advancement of AI is either wholly good or wholly bad - and we don't get a chance to hear experts talk around it in a nuanced way.
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| Quote ="bren2k"The unfortunate thing with a discussion like this, when it lands in the public sphere, is that the phenomenon of bad science almost always infects the discussion; for newspaper editors who don't understand the science, and probably don't want to, AI is not interesting unless you can include a picture of The Terminator, and spout prophecies of doom about the rise of the machines.'"
I can already see the Daily Express headline. Nostradamus made THIS prediction - AI is coming for YOUR JOBS
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"I can already see the Daily Express headline. Nostradamus made THIS prediction - AI is coming for YOUR JOBS'"
Pretty much - followed by a 4 minute TV debate, in which an expert AI scientist is opposed by a man in combat trousers and a tinfoil skullcap, who believes that mobile phones make you sterile, and Robot Wars is a secret training camp for our mechanical overlords.
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What has happened to the hole in the ozone - I don't hear anything about this - scientists never stop looking for new stuff to scare everyone.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"What has happened to the hole in the ozone - I don't hear anything about this - scientists never stop looking for facts to inform everyone.'"
Fixed it for you.
I take it you're one of Michael Gove's brave new thinkers, who are sick of experts?
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