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| Quote ="bren2k"You're so right - I'm typing this from the local library before my hour runs out, then it's off to a shop doorway for me for another cold night.'"
And i'm looking over his shoulder as I cant afford broadband or any form of tech to plug into it.
Hang on, I think it may be time for your mum to pick you up, the school bell is ringing .
Go on, toddle off and dont talk to any strangers and remember your reflective arm bands, it's dark outside
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise" - whether that was the right way of doing it is open to debate. '"
Actually it's not. Twitter has said if they do it again they'll be suspended, so they were wrong and have been told as much. As for "social media" being taken too seriously.......are you for real?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise" The issue they have is Trump is very popular.'" Based on what metric?!
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| Quote ="IR80"Garbage, even from you, I doubt you can even use Twitter, you hate success, admit it. You epitomise envy, you, wrencat, bren2k, achieved nothing in life, but it is all someone else to blame.'" Am I allowed to ask how old you are?
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| Quote ="bren2k"The inexplicable willingness of some people to defend absolutely anything that Johnson does, is a mirror of the Trump situation; it's beyond bizarre.
I can tell you with certainty that if Labour pulled a stunt like that, despite being a wholehearted supporter of the party, I would call it out as unacceptable and agree with those opponents who labelled it as such.
The level of discourse we've arrived at is shockingly awful - and it seems that we have yet to plumb the depths of the fevered imagination of Mr Cummings and his team of Vote Leave crooks.
Stop the bus - I want to get off.'"
I can tell you with certainty that if Labour did the same I wouldn't give a shiny sht. It's a short-term little stunt that will have "misled" absolutely no-one. The only people likely to have seen it are @CCHQPress followers and a few retweets - otherwise they won't have seen it in the first place. In the vast idiocracy of Twitter it really has no impact.
I do wonder about the lives some people lead when they whinge and moan and everything's a massive outrage. This doesn't matter. Most stuff doesn't matter. Perspective is everything. Get a grip.
Still, the whining from the snowflake left today - again - has been hilarious.
In fact the level of toxic whingeyness from the left on here is also reaching new levels. I'm enjoying every moment. One might almost think they're worried.
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| Quote ="Cronus"I can tell you with certainty that if Labour did the same I wouldn't give a shiny sht. It's a short-term little stunt that will have "misled" absolutely no-one. The only people likely to have seen it are @CCHQPress followers and a few retweets - otherwise they won't have seen it in the first place. In the vast idiocracy of Twitter it really has no impact.
I do wonder about the lives some people lead when they whinge and moan and everything's a massive outrage. This doesn't matter. Most stuff doesn't matter. Perspective is everything. Get a grip.
Still, the whining from the snowflake left today - again - has been hilarious.
In fact the level of toxic whingeyness from the left on here is also reaching new levels. I'm enjoying every moment. One might almost think they're worried.
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Very strange, just very strange
This is a forum for discussing the goings on of the day and of course the low grade tactics of the ruling party are worthy of comment.
You seen unable to decipher the difference between outrage and shame.
A ruling political party shouldn't be getting involved with schoolyard games as there are real issues to deal with.
We've already had the shenanigans in Parliament from Boris & Co, shutting it down twice + a faux Queens speech, which we were told was absolutely necessary, despite Boris deliberately sacrificing 21 of his own MP's.
There is no moral high ground from the Tory Party here, just petty, unnecessary, petty games and I'm glad that you're enjoying them
I suppose that the days of people in authority setting some kind of example are long gone but, we are now in an era of "Sunday Sport" politics, lead by the establishment clown.
The Tories will be the largest party post election but, let's hope that their majority isn't close to a level that allows a "no deal" Brexit.
Despite Boris and his oven ready deal, the expectation is that, there "wont be quite enough time" to complete the next phase and those "nasty Europeans" will force us to go for the proverbial cliff edge so, enjoy it while you can - even your own mask appears to have slipped and I thought that you were better than that.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Very strange, just very strange
This is a forum for discussing the goings on of the day and of course the low grade tactics of the ruling party are worthy of comment.
You seen unable to decipher the difference between outrage and shame.
A ruling political party shouldn't be getting involved with schoolyard games as there are real issues to deal with.
We've already had the shenanigans in Parliament from Boris & Co, shutting it down twice + a faux Queens speech, which we were told was absolutely necessary, despite Boris deliberately sacrificing 21 of his own MP's.
There is no moral high ground from the Tory Party here, just petty, unnecessary, petty games and I'm glad that you're enjoying them
I suppose that the days of people in authority setting some kind of example are long gone but, we are now in an era of "Sunday Sport" politics, lead by the establishment clown.
The Tories will be the largest party post election but, let's hope that their majority isn't close to a level that allows a "no deal" Brexit.
Despite Boris and his oven ready deal, the expectation is that, there "wont be quite enough time" to complete the next phase and those "nasty Europeans" will force us to go for the proverbial cliff edge so, enjoy it while you can - even your own mask appears to have slipped and I thought that you were better than that.'"
Oh please.
'Shame' isn't what I've seen and heard spewing forth from the left today - it's fake outrage. Nothing more, nothing less. It's pathetic. "They shouldn't be doing this..." jog on, and when you've finished jogging, grow a pair. Interesting how the left are so aggressive and toxic to anyone disagreeing with them...yet when the Tory press office pulls an ill-advised but ultimately insignificant stunt it's apocalyptic.
Just like that awful mouth Jess Phillips, who has hurled abuse and vitriol to all who disagree with her for years - yet the moment toxic language becomes a sensitive issue in the press she's suddenly all meek and tries to take the moral high ground...until she's called out in front of millions in Parliament for being one of the worst offenders on the benches.
It's all a points-scoring exercise, except the left are placing far too much value on a temporary twitter handle change.
What happened in Parliament in the last few months isn't surprising at all. Something had to give. When so many perfidious MPs are doing their best to frustrate the result of the referendum, the usual rules don't apply. 400 years ago they'd have been burned at the stake.
What I do genuinely find funny is the growing levels of aggression and frustration on the left. It's palpable on here and elsewhere. The devoted simply cannot cope with the fact most people will not vote for Corbyn, or that Swinson is a failure. Maybe if Jezza actually answered questions, condemned anti-UK/West terrorist groups, stopped promising unicorns and straightened his fookin glasses, he might get somewhere.
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| The oven ready deal to put in the microwave.
The problem with Johnson is that the part of his anatomy that dictates his life is not found between his ears.
For such a great debater with a common touch he does appear to avoid the electorate and when he does they ask him to leave their town.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The oven ready deal to put in the microwave.
The problem with Johnson is that the part of his anatomy that dictates his life is not found between his ears.
For such a great debater with a common touch he does appear to avoid the electorate and when he does they ask him to leave their town.'"
He's a bumbling f00king eejit.
Listened to him at that north-east factory visit yesterday and he could hardly string a coherent sentence together.
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| Quote ="Cronus" Maybe if Jezza actually answered questions, '"
Oh the irony....the utter delicious Irony of accusing Corbyn as a swerve merchant but ignoring boris's multiple instances of dodging questions. The most pertinent question that Boris is refusing to answer is why the delay....sorry, the unprecedented delay in releasing the findings of the investigation into Russian Interference in British Politics. Oh, I have no doubt that Dominic Cummings is a upstanding guy....but he has form
[urlhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/12/dominic-cummings-honed-strategy-2004-vote-north-east[/url
Oh...and before you start with another rant about liberal snowflakes or corbyn being an IRA bomb maker, I don't care what happens to the UK other than to worry about my Granddaughter's future, which a combination of Right wing lunatics, wealthy foreign backers, wealthy foreign media moguls and a whole heap of lies have pretty much consigned to the gutter for the foreseeable future. You and I will be long dead before any benefit is felt, but for every FTA you sign with overseas countries like India and China, expect an influx of brown faces......that'll give you nightmares 'til your meagre pension runs out, the US healthcare system that's replaced the NHS kicks in and you die on a gurney in some backwater corridor of an underfunded hospital.....
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| Quote ="Cronus"
What happened in Parliament in the last few months isn't surprising at all. Something had to give. When so many perfidious MPs are doing their best to frustrate the result of the referendum, the usual rules don't apply. 400 years ago they'd have been burned at the stake.
What I do genuinely find funny is the growing levels of aggression and frustration on the left. It's palpable on here and elsewhere. The devoted simply cannot cope with the fact most people will not vote for Corbyn, or that Swinson is a failure. Maybe if Jezza actually answered questions, condemned anti-UK/West terrorist groups, stopped promising unicorns and straightened his fookin glasses, he might get somewhere.
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You really do have to laugh when Leavers keep banging on about "frustrating the result of the referendum", it's just hilarious.
We had a referendum with a binary in / out vote but, the myriad of promises made bey the numerous different factions voting "leave" makes a satisfactory solution totally impossible and you know it so, the faux outrage and froth certainly seems to be more severe when you hear Farage and some of the Tory right wing clique talking, way more than those on the left.
Just to remind you that we had the "no deal" brigade, the "soft Brexit" and the Labour "Brexit with a customs union" - viewed by many as not being Brexit at all and then we had 48.4% for remain.
3 years on from the vote, with some of the hyperbole and exaggeration removed, we know that any "leave" agreement will leave us all worse off not "project fear" but nailed on fact (it's just the level of contraction to the ecconomy that is up for debate).
Corbyn wont show his personal views, primarily because IF and it's a very unlikely if, Labour were to win, he recognises that depending on the result of the "confirmatory referendum", he would still have to lead his party and the country and whilst this weakens his current position, it could be a sensible move long term.
As for the original point that I made, regarding the schoolyard capers from the Tories, it's just pathetic and for ANY ruling party to run with those tactics just demonstrates what type of government Boris wants to run , back in the common room of Eton, putting dog food on the dining table and replacing lemonade with , oh, but it's all so much fun.
Dont know about "growing a pair" but they certainly need to grow up and take the task of moving the country forward somewhat more seriously.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"You really do have to laugh when Leavers keep banging on about "frustrating the result of the referendum", it's just hilarious.
We had a referendum with a binary in / out vote but, the myriad of promises made bey the numerous different factions voting "leave" makes a satisfactory solution totally impossible and you know it so, the faux outrage and froth certainly seems to be more severe when you hear Farage and some of the Tory right wing clique talking, way more than those on the left.
Just to remind you that we had the "no deal" brigade, the "soft Brexit" and the Labour "Brexit with a customs union" - viewed by many as not being Brexit at all and then we had 48.4% for remain.
3 years on from the vote, with some of the hyperbole and exaggeration removed, we know that any "leave" agreement will leave us all worse off not "project fear" but nailed on fact (it's just the level of contraction to the ecconomy that is up for debate).
Corbyn wont show his personal views, primarily because IF and it's a very unlikely if, Labour were to win, he recognises that depending on the result of the "confirmatory referendum", he would still have to lead his party and the country and whilst this weakens his current position, it could be a sensible move long term.
As for the original point that I made, regarding the schoolyard capers from the Tories, it's just pathetic and for ANY ruling party to run with those tactics just demonstrates what type of government Boris wants to run , back in the common room of Eton, putting dog food on the dining table and replacing lemonade with mickey, oh, but it's all so much fun.
Dont know about "growing a pair" but they certainly need to grow up and take the task of moving the country forward somewhat more seriously.'"
What is a laugh is Labour saying they would stand by the result of a referendum but simply want to ignore the result of the last referendum.
Corbyn is supposed to be a leader - so surely he has to dictate the direction of travel - that's what leaders do they lead? It makes him look very weak indeed.
The Tories are simply livening up what has become a pretty dull election campaign - yes maybe some might see it as flippant but even the cabinet aren't taking it seriously. What matters is not what happens on Twitter it's what happens on TV, radio and in the press.
What needs further examination is the claims of these guys. Dawn Buttler yesterday - 3,000 on the streets in Brent alone, there are only 5,000 in the whole country. Angela Rayner we will build 100,000 council house every year for 5 years. That 2,000 a week - they will be lucky to build 100,000 in the life of Parliament. Boris - NI cuts will give £500 when in fact it will give £85. Libdems not leaving the EU will give a £50bn bounce to the economy. Its about time this all calmed down and some rationality, responsibility and achievability were shown by these guys.
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Absolutely - I follow most of the bigger political hitters in the UK and they are all as bad as each other - nobody worse than Corbyn and McDonald for spreading fake news. Perhaps if the leading figures in both parties raised the quality of debate it would help.
Sadly none of them want because their policies have more hole than a sieve.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Absolutely - I follow most of the bigger political hitters in the UK and they are all as bad as each other - nobody worse than Corbyn and McDonald for spreading fake news. Perhaps if the leading figures in both parties raised the quality of debate it would help.
Sadly none of them want because their policies have more hole than a sieve.'"
Much like at a RL game, you aren't watching both sides.
The absolute litany of lies, mis quotes and irregular behaviour since Boris teamed up with Cummigs and took on the top job is absolutely unprecedented and just disgraceful - I hope that he is making you proud, I'm not
I'm sure that you know this (as it's impossible to argue against) but, just as we expect from the Conservatives, you are more than happy to look the other way.
There was a time when someone behaving so erratically would have been clamed down by the more experienced MP's but, Boris seems to have got rid of any "sensible" MP's and filled his team with idiot's and yes men (and women).
As I said in another post, we now have the political equivalent of the Sunday Sport.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Much like at a RL game, you aren't watching both sides.
The absolute litany of lies, mis quotes and irregular behaviour since Boris teamed up with Cummigs and took on the top job is absolutely unprecedented and just disgraceful - I hope that he is making you proud, I'm not
I'm sure that you know this (as it's impossible to argue against) but, just as we expect from the Conservatives, you are more than happy to look the other way.
There was a time when someone behaving so erratically would have been clamed down by the more experienced MP's but, Boris seems to have got rid of any "sensible" MP's and filled his team with idiot's and yes men (and women).
As I said in another post, we now have the political equivalent of the Sunday Sport.
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So which are the lies that concern you the most?
The previous cabinet had a chancellor would simply would not spend any money to the detriment of all citizens - you can't have it both ways - either fiscal control and its consequences are OK or there not
He had a number of MPs who simply wanted to disrupt the Brexit process - this needed to be addressed - when you can members of your own party actively engaging with EU against the agreed party line what do you expect Boris to do? In business you would sack them.
Who are the voices of reason that he has got rid of - Ken Clarke who else? How many of the current cabinet were in May's cabinet - quite a few.
Now let's look at Labour - Corbyn has simply surrounded himself with hard left MPs who share Lansman's vision of what the UK should be - he is far more dangerous than Cummins but to take your RL analogy you only see your side playing.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"So which are the lies that concern you the most?
The previous cabinet had a chancellor would simply would not spend any money to the detriment of all citizens - you can't have it both ways - either fiscal control and its consequences are OK or there not
He had a number of MPs who simply wanted to disrupt the Brexit process - this needed to be addressed - when you can members of your own party actively engaging with EU against the agreed party line what do you expect Boris to do? In business you would sack them.
Who are the voices of reason that he has got rid of - Ken Clarke who else? How many of the current cabinet were in May's cabinet - quite a few.
Now let's look at Labour - Corbyn has simply surrounded himself with hard left MPs who share Lansman's vision of what the UK should be - he is far more dangerous than Cummins but to take your RL analogy you only see your side playing.'"
The lies which concern me most are the ones coming from Johnsons mouth.
Has ANYTHING that he has said do far actually been true ??
Brexit done by 30th October DO OR DIE, he's still living
I dont want an election
Brexit will be done bey end of 2020
20,000 new and additional policemen
20 new hospitals
Proroguing parliament
New queens speech
I could keep going, he literally cant help himself and he seemed to have issues with his new NI calculations as well but, the difference between £90 and £500 a year will be utterly irrelevant to him.
He needs to get back to practical jokes and playing the fool, which may be his only attribute.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"The lies which concern me most are the ones coming from Johnsons mouth.
Has ANYTHING that he has said do far actually been true ??
Brexit done by 30th October DO OR DIE, he's still living
I dont want an election
Brexit will be done bey end of 2020
20,000 new and additional policemen
20 new hospitals
Proroguing parliament
New queens speech
I could keep going, he literally cant help himself and he seemed to have issues with his new NI calculations as well but, the difference between £90 and £500 a year will be utterly irrelevant to him.
He needs to get back to practical jokes and playing the fool, which may be his only attribute.'"
It wasn't his fault that parliament passed the Benn act that cut the rug from under his feet. Then backed by the speaker parliament were simply not going to back the bill without significant changes i.e. a customs union and a single market so not really his doing.
No reason it cannot be completed by 2020 - especially if he has a significant majority
Policemen - he has started on that he never said it would be done before Christmas
New Hospitals - they are on with it - again he never said it would instant
Proroguing parliament - bad move for me - he knew exactly what he was doing and why - he definitely lied about that
Queens speech became redundant when they blocked Brexit - parliament needed dissolving at that point.
Just because we are having an election doesn't mean he actually wanted one - big risk, Corbyn is a very experienced campaigner. Labour wanted an election but turned down the opportunity many times so are they liars too?
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No reason it cannot be completed by 2020 - especially if he has a significant majority
Policemen - he has started on that he never said it would be done before Christmas
New Hospitals - they are on with it - again he never said it would instant
Proroguing parliament - bad move for me - he knew exactly what he was doing and why - he definitely lied about that
Queens speech became redundant when they blocked Brexit - parliament needed dissolving at that point.
Just because we are having an election doesn't mean he actually wanted one - big risk, Corbyn is a very experienced campaigner. Labour wanted an election but turned down the opportunity many times so are they liars too?'"
So, you actually agree on half of the stuff and the remainder hasn't been done and is not likely to.
Fancy a charity wager on the number of hospitals or policemen, although we'd have to put a time limit on as I'm the wrong side of 50
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Fancy a charity wager on the number of hospitals or policemen, although we'd have to put a time limit on as I'm the wrong side of 50
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You are not the only one
No problem with a charity bet £50 is fine and it does depend on who wins the election.
If the Tories win - 10,000 extra police by 2020
New hospitals - it takes >5 years to build one - so how many new hospitals are in construction by the end of this parliament. I say 5
If Labour win
Not a chance they will have built 100,000 new homes before 2020 - even 2021.
I guarantee they will not have nationalised anything by end of 2020.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"You are not the only one
No problem with a charity bet £50 is fine and it does depend on who wins the election.
If the Tories win - 10,000 extra police by 2020
New hospitals - it takes >5 years to build one - so how many new hospitals are in construction by the end of this parliament. I say 5
If Labour win
Not a chance they will have built 100,000 new homes before 2020 - even 2021.
I guarantee they will not have nationalised anything by end of 2020.'"
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Think positively as you fall off the mortal coil they will be have the 20,000th policeman putting the final touches to the 5th new hospital and they will have Donald Trump cutting the ribbon.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Think positively as you fall off the mortal coil they will be have the 20,000th policeman putting the final touches to the 5th new hospital and they will have Donald Trump cutting the ribbon.
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The thought of Trump coming accross here would almost be good enough reason to not want to be here.
You do know that to hit the 20,000 new policemen/women, according to the police themselves would require 500,000 applicants and remember these are in addition to those leaving the force.
You know that gullible is the 3004th word in the English dictionary dont you ?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I said that I was the wrong side of 50, not about to croak !
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old, tired, living in the past, full of hate
are you in the latest Star Wars movie?
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| Quote ="IR80"old, tired, living in the past, full of hate
are you in the latest Star Wars movie?'"
School finished for today ?
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| Quote ="IR80"are you in the latest Star Wars movie?'"
What do you know about movies, oh enlightened one?
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