Which is what exactly? Will it be any different to what the remainers get?

They'll get a stronger country with significantly more control of its own destiny. It is the 5th largest economy in the world surely its strong enough to survive out in the big bad world. It has only been in the EEC for 40 years of what is a long and illustrious past.

I cannot understand all the doom and gloom - all businesses face challenges are UK PLC is no different - can it change direction and move forward yes it bl00dy well can. The talent in this country is immense why everyone thinks Europe is the key to its prosperity defies belief. This is a great country filled with supremely innovate people - have some faith.

I didn't want to leave, but when you see the behaviour of other "leaders" in Europe it seems like all we're doing is growing a pair and leaving a gang of bullies. 2 years to leave a club, that's worse than cancelling a Sky contract!

Having just got back from France and seen the different perspective on French TV, you sir are in cuckoo land.
We have no choice other than to get on with it but, Farage and his gang, fighting their own agenda have hoodwinked the UK electorate and made 52% of those who voted, believe that we can leave the EU penalty free, with a free trade agreement and all of the benefits of being outside the EU.
Sorry but, unless the EU implodes, the "United" Kingdom is going to get one hell of a bloody nose and the EU will play the "long game" which is likely to leave the UK with the option of taking a crap deal.
We may have the 5th largest economy in the world but, much of this is based on the financial sector which, will slowly disappear to the EU.
Why on earth would they pay the UK fo financial services that they can carry out "themselves".

The Germans and French think that Christmas has come early.

The country was great 150 years ago and we are now a nation of shopkeepers.
As far as supremely innovative goes, yes, there are some very clever people in the UK but, you show me a brilliant Englishman and there will be 1000 Chinese people who are just as clever.

The problem with Brexit is that the "older" generation remember when we had a strong manufacturing base but, this has been "dead" for the last 40 years, destroyed by Thatchers dream.

Add in the fact that the majority of what manufacturing we have is foreign owned, even the Premier League is 90% foreign financed. French companies control our utilities, we buy German/Japanese cars, we make trains but the companies aren't British/English.

These issues are real but in or out of the EU is a side show to them.

These issues are real but in or out of the EU is a side show to them.

So, is this a help or hinderance, you haven't said ?
As I suggested, Thatchers ideal, was to allow the "market" to rule everything, which meant stepping aside and allowing overseas companies to buy buy into UK Plc.
Any country should have control over their utilities (just in case they fall out with others) but, we haven't given a damn about this or about our manufacturing base.
Sure, car manufacturing is doing really well but, it's foreign owned and in times of adversity, this leaves us vulnerable.

THE major worry for the UK is the Financial services sector and bearing in mind the huge amounts of European Monies that are processed over here, it wont be too long before this drifts across the Channel.

At least India is offering a trade deal.....................as long as we allow greater free movement of their 1 billion population towards the UK.
Mr Farage, you have so much to answer for

So, is this a help or hinderance, you haven't said ?
As I suggested, Thatchers ideal, was to allow the "market" to rule everything, which meant stepping aside and allowing overseas companies to buy buy into UK Plc.
Any country should have control over their utilities (just in case they fall out with others) but, we haven't given a damn about this or about our manufacturing base.
Sure, car manufacturing is doing really well but, it's foreign owned and in times of adversity, this leaves us vulnerable.

THE major worry for the UK is the Financial services sector and bearing in mind the huge amounts of European Monies that are processed over here, it wont be too long before this drifts across the Channel.

At least India is offering a trade deal.....................as long as we allow greater free movement of their 1 billion population towards the UK.
Mr Farage, you have so much to answer for

So, is this a help or hinderance, you haven't said ?
As I suggested, Thatchers ideal, was to allow the "market" to rule everything, which meant stepping aside and allowing overseas companies to buy buy into UK Plc.
Any country should have control over their utilities (just in case they fall out with others) but, we haven't given a damn about this or about our manufacturing base.
Sure, car manufacturing is doing really well but, it's foreign owned and in times of adversity, this leaves us vulnerable.

THE major worry for the UK is the Financial services sector and bearing in mind the huge amounts of European Monies that are processed over here, it wont be too long before this drifts across the Channel.

At least India is offering a trade deal.....................as long as we allow greater free movement of their 1 billion population towards the UK.
Mr Farage, you have so much to answer for

Given the multiple posts it seems the site is suffering some issues...

Governments (not just Thatcher) have sold us down the river, and I honestly don't see how we can recover. We need to stop spending money overseas, we need to stop access to the NHS if you weren't born in Britain (at the very least), we need to stop funding the B(iast)BC, there a lot of things we could do, we certainly shouldn't be looking at hosting a World Cup, Commonwealth Games or even regional tiddlywinks tournaments. Maybe it's time the Churches paid the same tax as everyone else, and Tesco, Amazon, Starbucks et al started paying some. If I fly abroad I pay a departure tax, why not an arrival tax.

Also, what happens to the E111 when we leave the EU?

Hard to stop spending money overseas when as you say so much of it is foreign owned. Is there such thing as a British car company or a British train operating company? The new nuclear power plants are being built to a French design with Chinese money FFS. Much of the utilities are foreign owned. Big companies like Cadbury’s were bought by US Kraft. Unilever nearly bought out recently too. Thatcher and later Blair opened up so much to the market that it’s impossible to exclusively buy British.

Fact of the matter is that cutting free foreign access to the NHS would be a total drop in the ocean. Same goes for the BBC. Agree about sideshows like the Euros and Commonwealth Games.

Agree that companies like Amazon, Google etc should pay more tax. Seems also a bit odd to offer companies low tax opportunities in the likes of Gibraltar when it just screws our economy. What’s to gain? I suspect if we end up with Brexit without a deal with the EU people will soon realise the folly. Turning the UK into some low tax economy like Bermuda would mean a huge change to lives that nobody on the leave side mentioned in the referendum campaign.

No disagreement from me, successive governments have put us in a corner, I fear it's too late to fix it

Anyone still feeling confident about the outcome ?

I am. I have no worries at all.

What has changed in recent times that has concerned you so much to prompt you to re-ask the question?

I think that most of what we hear in the press is political posturing, rather than information aimed at the general public.
Also, having just spent a few days in France, watching Trinity, the view from "the other side" seems a little different to that which we are being fed over here.
Personally, I feel that, with 27 other nations to negotiate with, all of whom have different hopes and expectations, the most likely outcome within the 2 year time frame, will be "no deal", which will leave many people significantly worse off.
Add to this the rhetoric coming out of India (saying we could have a trade deal in return for greater freedom of movement) and you begin to realise that the whole fiasco and deceit from the leave campaign (in relation to speedy trade deals with other nations) very likely to leave us in a worse place than we were within the EU.
I know that we will have control of our borders but, we also lose our own rights to free movement within the EU.
THere are issues to be resolved with regards to EU nationals in the UK and UK nationals in the EU plus, Scotland wanting out, a whole mess in Ireland, which could well get very, very messy so, yes, things appear more bleak than they were.

You say: "will be "no deal", which will leave many people significantly worse off." Which people, what number of them and how much worse off? Will others perhaps be better off or have you totally discounted that possibility? Where do you get this knowledge of the future from?

As to no deal - it may well hurt - but if we have duties both ways on EU trade then as we have a huge trade deficit with the EU, all things being equal our government will have a tax gain to help it pay for things. Currently a big chunk of our international trade is routed via Rotterdam. If we have no access to the single market, Rotterdam and Holland suffer but potentially our seaports gain. Maybe Liverpool and Bristol for example, West Cost ports that have been devastated by EU membership.?

IF we end up with no deal and WTO terms, it will effectively increase the cost of all of the UK's imports by 10%, so in that sense everyone in the UK would be worse off.
Also, it will increase the cost of our products going overseas so, you could say that people in the EU will also be worse off.
However, will they still buy the goods from the UK that are produced here or, will they look elsewhere for some of these goods and services.
Of course, we may be able to source some of the more expensive goods elsewhere. However, as the EU is our closest trading block, which means that we can obtain goods, especially food, quickly, we dont have the same number of options (and we have to secure trade deals with other nations before we can buy from them).
As for goods coming into Rotterdam, prior to coming to the UK and suggesting that we could use Liverpool or Bristol, this is just bizarre.
Rotterdam is used as a drop off point as vessels are en route to other destinations, Liverpool or Bristol are not.
We could use different UK sea ports but, again, this will add cost to the products that we are seeking to import.

Felixstow is probably the largest port for goods coming from the East (China, India etc), purely because it is the cheapest place to have goods delivered to but, if you want to pay, you can have goods delivered to any port with facilities for stripping containers.

Places like Liverpool gained prominence in the 19th century, primarily due to the substantial northern manufacturing base for cotton, which was converted in mills in the North of England.
Sadly that trade is dead in the UK and unless we want to pay our workers $70/80 per MONTH, this industry wont be returning to the UK for the foreseeable future.
This isn't due to the EU, it's down to the very cheap manufacturing centres of China, India and Bangladesh etc.

Again, please point out the "up side" but, you will have to do a whole lot better than your last post.

So nothing has changed, you've just had a few beers with the Frogs from the south with the outcome being a fabricated negative picture. Got it.

No beers, just chance to read and listen to the "story" from the other side.
You know, listen to a different perspective, rather than the tunnel vision leading to Utopia that Farage and his ilk were selling.
There is a fair amount of anger at Britain's exit, which is not conducive to "us" getting a good deal.

Remember, the clock is ticking a lot louder for us that it is for the rest of Europe but, hey, you keep your fingers crossed and cover your ears.
Everything will be fine.

Maybe Marine will save us! Did you ask the Frogs about their Nigel?

All our imports will not cost 10% more, only those from the EU. Indeed, food in particular may reduce in cost as we will have access to other country's produce which in some cases the EU add tariffs to. When we entered the EU people were worried about food prices increasing massively. Our politicians assured us not - but guess what, they did.

If luxury goods (eg German cars and European wine) costs 10% more that will be a good thing IF people stop buying them - it will help our trade deficit and balance of payments.

If we trade more with the rest of the world and do not have single market access then rationally goods will come directly in / go directly from UK ports. Bristol in particular would be well placed, geographically, for expansion.

Yes, they said she would poll around 35% of the vote in the first round, which will put her in the lead but this vote would remain at that level in the second round so, their thoughts were that, thankfully, she wont become their leader.
Farage is staunch right wing but, not ar far right as Le Pen or her Father.

Christ, you sound like that whining muppet Clegg, who's been doing the BBC News circuit again recently.

So, you spoke to a few people in France. Were they heads of business? Politicians? Movers & shakers? No? Blokes holding or serving beer? Probably.

Well, from someone who deals with many companies across the UK, Europe and globally, I can tell you there isn't much concern out there. I talk directly to one of the biggest German car manufacturers on an almost daily basis as well as one of their luxury subsidiaries in the UK (the factory tour is astounding). The impact of Brexit is only ever raised only from my side. They're not concerned. As one contact said, if WTO tariffs come in they benefit from having facilities in the UK as long as the supply chain isn't hugely affected or can be restructured. If there are low or zero tariffs it's pretty much business as usual.

I also work with a large number of Europeans who are largely astounded we voted to leave, although most of them have told me they would have voted Out if given the chance in their home nation. Especially the Germans and Italians.

A deal will be reached. It may not be perfect and it will require concessions on both sides, though I doubt May will budge on the shambolic pillar of Freedom of Movement. That's why we won't be in the single market but we'll reach an agreement beneficial to both sides. You know why? Because once all the hyperbole is over and the people who matter sit down to talk, neither side wants a poor outcome. Seeking to hurt the UK would also hurt almost every member of the EU. Yes, our economy will dip for a short time but then recover, and eventually grow (as I said many pages ago). Some firms might opt to move to the EU, others will seize the opportunity to reach out to the world without the shackles of the EU holding them back.

We should listen less to our idiotic sensationalist media and politicians (and RLFannies) and more to business leaders, many of whom are not unduly concerned (of course, there are exceptions such as that other muppet Michael O'Leary). Oh, and Farage should be muffled.

And we should bomb Madrid.

But but wrencat (with a clear agenda) spoke to a bus driver and a bloke in Castillo Bar, surely he he knows much more than anyone?