I'm very sorry to hear that. I can't imagine what you have been through and how tough things must have been for you.

I'm sorry but I don't think I can give you a good enough explanation as to why I was healed and your wife was left to pass away. What I do know is that everyone dies and that God has a plan for each of us. Yes, bad things happen to people who don't seem to deserve it, but that doesn't mean that God doesn't love the world.

Again, I'm sorry for your loss.

Once again when someone asks a genuine question of religion the believers resort to the 'i don't know why' and 'god has a plan' answer. Unless you can come up with something original you should keep your claptrap to yourself, I'll stick to other works of fiction that are more believable.

You unpleasant little man.

Think of a word you'd use to describe a human that oversees the torture of an innocent woman for seven years before killing her, then you will have an accurate description of your 'God'.

I am starting to wonder whether 'kirkstaller' is actually a satirical cyber creation of Agent Provocateur or Damo....

If he is, he's over-stepping the mark with his last post.

Not so sure about that... Would a Yorkshire God really let a parent do this to one of their children...?

There's some very big angry clouds heading to Kirkstall...

You aint kidding lad! This sky above LS6 is crazy!

One coming from Stanningley's ground at min looks particularly bad

What on earth are you on about?



In Christian theology none of us are innocent, hence why we all die. That doesn't make Sanjunien's story any less tragic though, and I continue to pray for him.

You are doing one of two things. Either:

1) You are using the most over-used, morally bankrupt get out clause ('he moves in mysterious ways') to excuse your 'God' torturing an innocent woman (and her husband) for seven years before killing her, or,

2) You are a troll who is using the suffering of another human being to maintain the illusion of his persona.

Either way, you're a scumbag.



Ah, so, it was her own fault for being a 'sinner'?

Of course we all die, but your 'God' could choose to let us die peacefully in our old age having lived a full and happy life. Instead, he chooses to torture some of us for many years with the incurable diseases he invented, before letting them die prematurely and in pain. If such a 'God' exists, he's a b*stard, and so is anyone who excuses his evil acts.



Wow. How big of you. Bet he's thrilled. Though I reckon if 'God' was going to step in and help him, now would be a bit late in the game.

I gave a honest answer. It is not a get out clause, it is the truth. I said it was part of God's plan because that is what the Bible teaches.

I do not know why some people suffer more than others. I tried to be respectful because I know what it is like to lose someone so close.



I'm not here to cause controversy or upset.



For sensitively giving an honest response to a genuine question?



We all have to take responsibility for our sin. That is part of the judgement God has made on mankind. We know that death only entered the world when mankind decided to rebel and break God's commandments.

Now, I'm not saying that it was the lady's fault that she suffered so greatly, and I cannot tell you why supposedly good people are allowed to suffer more than evil people. I don't have all the answers but I trust that God knows best and has infinitely good reasons for working as he does.



We all deserve to die due to our rebellion. And actually, God is extremely patient with those whom he has predestined for Hell,

[iIn the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power, he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls, who are destined for destruction. He does this to make the riches of his glory shine even brighter on those to whom he shows mercy, who were prepared in advance for glory.[/i Romans 9:22-23 (NLT)



I'm doing this not to promote my own righteousness (I am a dastardly sinner), I am doing it out of love for my neighbour. IIRC Sanjunien has previously referred to his own lapsed Christian faith and I pray that he returns to Jesus.

Child cruelty that mate, I mean a a LUFC shirt, the horror.

If you're not a troll, you're guilty of a disgusting level of moral cowardice. You excuse actions that you would, without hesitation, describe as 'evil' if they were perpetrated by a man, solely because your 'God' is the evildoer.



No. No we do not. Death had been around for several hundreds of millions of years before the earliest man had evolved.



Again, moral cowardice.

"I can't tell you why 'God' causes good people to suffer, but you must accept that he knows best and love him anyway. Or go to hell."



It can hardly be deemed to be patience if they have been 'predestined' for hell, can it?



He won't. Once you've seen that the emperor is naked, it's impossible to ever picture him with clothes on again.

After readin part of this thread i could not face reading anymore i often think that as a race we have not really moved on from the times of the Romans.

I get the feeling a lot of posters would be quite happy to go to the colosseum to see Christians fed to to the Lions again.

He's real I think.

It wasn't too long ago a Christian was preaching very similar views on the local radio and I'm sure it was Kirkstaller.

No, we'd just rather not have all that claptrap forced down our throats and have the holy inflict their beliefs on others by way of laws and hijacking of ancient rites and customs.

Some of us are looking at the stars.

Some of us are looking at the stars.

Except that, in actual history, that hardly ever happened.

Quite. I'd add to that that anyone should be free to believe in any deity they please, but when what that belief is unsupported by evidence, it should be open to ridicule in the same way as any other unsupported belief. And when that belief has a morally-repugnant flavour to it (like Kirkstaller's), that too should be called out.

I, as a Christian, believe that God determines what is right and what is wrong. God has told us to love him, our neighbour too, and to not hate or murder. These are clearly good standards of morality, but they are totally different to God's righteous judgment and wrath. It is good that we are held to account for our rebellion. If anything, this makes me love God even more, for he is a just God.

I will not condemn him, I will love him.



Obviously I disagree.



Nothing cowardly about it. I recognise that we must all die, but I just don't know why some people suffer more than others.



God could strike them down now and send them straight to Hell, but he doesn't, for he is a patient and loving God.



Tell that to the Luke 15:11-32

about 7000 over the years 250 to 350 from a population of approximately 200, 000 although very few were given to the Lions that was mainly saved for prisoners

Christianity is the biggest religion with 33.32% of the world following it
Islam 21.01%
Hinduism 13.26%
Other combined Religions 12.48%

Non believers 14.09%

So what happens if you're in the wrong percentile, even if you're a good person?

7 Billion people, so there's a lot of places in hell if you're wrong.