Just on a side note, did anyone see Question Time last night.
Labour shadow minister Richard Burgon trying to say that Labour was the party for the self employed and small business as they were advocating giving paternity rights to the self employed.
I was embarrassed for him, the guy has no idea what is involved in running a small business, none.

The Tory on the panel, who is happy to admit that he's loaded, at least spoke some sense, particularly about Brexit and how we would struggle to gain access to the single market and customs union outside the EU.
I dont agree with his politics but at least he seemed prepared to be up front and honest about where we're at.

The point for me is do we want a health service that is all things to all people in which everyone gets what they want when they want it or are we as nation prepared to accept some choices have to be made about certain clinical procedures.

If you want the former because that's the easy option then the funding required is a bottomless pit - however if you are prepared to accept that life isn't fair and we can't all have everything e.g. it isn't a right to get pregnant, then a properly funded NHS is possible and other taxation monies can be diverted to other equally important areas.

Those examples of mine are extreme but that was the intention those people are in the minority but some the cancer treatments are incredibly expensive for what is often a very short extension to life.

I really like Rees-Mogg. Witty, honest and decent. The Labour bloke on self-employed was cringeworthy. I think he was getting mixed up with rights for couriers, Uber drivers and thx like who are deemed self-employed when not really? Otherwise his 'real world' of Leeds must be an odd place.

We already have that - so the fundamental premise of your proposition is erroneous.

You originally stated the NHS was inefficient - hence the financial difficulties; you now seem to be suggesting that the problem is caused by the undeserving poor expecting help with fertility or cancer?

And I'm willing to wager that you wouldn't have entertained these thoughts earlier in your career, when you didn't have private health insurance.

Check his voting record - he's another entitled Eton boy, with no regard for the working classes; his affable posh twit routine is as sinister as that of Boris Johnson.

AS I said, I dont agree with his politics but at least he appeared to be talking sense, unlike his Labour counterpart and was happy to say that he was sufficiently well off not to need the 10% increase that MP's were given and so didnt take the "extra", whereas Burgon, despite claiming socialist values, clearly did take the "extra", knowing that it was fundamentally wrong.

But one of them voted to maintain the pay freeze on public sector workers - and guffawed and jeered when it went through; the other continues to campaign for it to be lifted. One of them lectured about the evils of debt and blamed it on Labour, despite representing the party which has tripled it in 7 years - then went on to say that it was perfectly ok to saddle students with 50k+ of debt; the other represents a party who would abolish student fees.

Hopefully, not everyone is as easily swayed as you by a meaningless soundbite or an amusingly anachronistic turn of phrase.

I think that you are misunderstanding me.
As I said, I dont agree with his politics but he did appear to be speaking honestly.

Regardless of which side of the political spectrum our MP's reside, it would be a whole lot better if they tell people what they actually think and what their principles are, rather than saying one thing and then doing the opposite and this is the reason that I liked listening to the guy, particularly his comments on hard Brexit and soft Brexit. Again, I dont agree with him but, it made a change for someone to speak plainly as to why some of the "softer" Brexit options
are just not possible.

FWIW, I like Corbyn for the same reasons, in that he speaks plainly and has belief in his own ideals.
Again, I have major issues with his spending plans, as I dont believe that they are achievable with the slight changes to personal tax changes to the wealthiest members of society and his changes to CT are just wishful thinking.
There isn't a business in the country that will just accept the changes to CT, without changing the shape of their business, to reduce the burden of CT.

a bit rich coming from Corbyn's fanboy

To remove any traces of gravitas hidden within your meaningless one-liners, you have added a laughing face emoji; well done.

The sooner this lady goes the better - she is now making a laughing stock out of herself.

The Tories will not put up with this for long - gone by the end of the summer

The only way she can retain any dignity or credibility, and fend off some of her would be assassins, is to go on TV and say that Brexit was in fact a really stupid idea, and she's not supporting it any more; she's a dead woman walking anyway, so she should at least do one decent and honest thing before she's euthanised.

Is her plea to other parties a genuine call for help or is she just lining up stooges to split the blame with should it all go wrong?

Whatever it is it's pointless. She's holed under the waterline. Nobody will do business with her. She's just serving her notice.

Trying to split Labour and make Corbyn be unequivocal.

There doesn't seem to be a rush of dyed in the wool Tories coming to her defence anymore.
It's just a matter of timing now but, none of this is doing us any good, either domestically, within the EU or, on the wider international arena.
Despite the desperate rhetoric of certain politicians, Britain and in particular Mrs May, is becoming more isolated and insular than it has been in the last 100 years.

A crude and amateur attempt to share the blame when the disaster that is Brexit unfolds further - if indeed it does.

Most in Europe know they need to do a deal that doesn't disadvantage the UK to a point where they kill their own biggest export market.

The EU leaders don't take May seriously because they know by the autumn they will be negotiating with somebody else.

The other biggest issue for EU is money - who picks up the contributions we were making which is why they need a big pay off from us - something they are unlikely to get - so in that respect we have some negotiating strength if we can use it properly.

No deal is as bad for the EU as it is for the UK

Whatever deal we get will be worse than what we currently enjoy. That's for certain.

She tried to kill off all traces of opposition by calling a snap election. She is now desperately trying to spread the blame. Zero integrity.

No, no, everything is going to be fine, in the future when all's well.

May is certainly high up on the list of useless prime ministers. Fortunately for her and the tories the opposition, jezza and his Marxist pals are equally inept. What we have done to deserve this bunch of labour and Tory shallow incompetents god only knows. Whilst both parties are mud slinging at each other the economy is slowly but surely deteriorating. Still both parties are providing much amusement at the moment. Labour claiming they are for leaving the EU ,whilst most labour members want to remain. Meanwhile the shallow buffoons on the Tory cabinet are more interested in taking the prime ministers job than running the economy. Still call me Dave and boy George are fine and dandy, having left government they are earning a small fortune on various business ventures. If it wasn't so tragic it would be laughable.

Indeed.
With all parties (apart from the Libdems) split over Brexit, it would have been sensible to have some kind of cross party committee to agree the best way forward and try and work out what would be best for the country but, May and the Tories wanted to show just how good they were.
They should be left to self destruct.
The Uk will eventually find a new level.
It may be better than we had pre Brexit or, more likely, it may be worse but, it's what the majority of voters wanted.
The rest of us just remain grateful and bow to their superior knowledge and hope that we are led to the promised land where we can make our own laws and look after our own people and screw the rest.
On the flip side.
There is little doubt that we have given the EU27 a huge problem with funding and the Germans and French must be really happy with us.
Macron is already trying to encourage some big businesses to move across the Channel and it will be really interesting to see how many are enticed over to the EU Mainland.

It was what the majority of voters wanted then; since reality has started to bite, the latest polls show 60/40 to remain.

The only sensible thing to do now is stop all the chest beating and talking up of casual asides by the maniac Trump, and agree to a 2nd referendum when the terms of the deal have been clarified.

Although personally, I'd be happy with that, I dont think that could possibly happen.
The only circumstance would be if EVERY media publication could convince the electorate that we would all be significantly worse off on the outside and even then, I dont see it being a runner.
I also believe that there would have to be major changes on "free movement" which, again, I just dont see changing any time soon, although, there is little doubt that the emigration issues in Africa do need urgently addressing.
All of Europe seems to be attractive to large numbers from that continent, particularly, France Germany and England.