It does beg the question as to why the senior Pakistanis in the area didn't crack down on these individuals - there does seem to be a culture of self governance in some areas within this community.

I still don't understand why any mature male would be interested in such young girls? Is this just about Sadism/Domination?

How old are you? How many of the drug dealers in your area have you cracked down on personally of late?

How do you suggest you - or senior Pakistanis - might justify their vigilantism in police interview?

Why should senior Pakistanis have some right to be judge jury and executioner and what about the rights of those they cracked down upon, who might deny being guilty of anything, or do you believe senior Pakistanis are oracles that can divine the truth without the need for due process of law?


Like all perversions and illegal proclivities, it's exceedingly well-known. But "why"? Surely it is enough to understand that they are sexual perverts, as I'd assumed everyone does? any "why" is more for anyone unfortunate enough to have the job of trying to rehabilitate the perverts, but maybe that's just their personal taste, and because they can?

This is not about vigilantism this is about using influence to address an issue. The Pakistani community seems to be able to exert influence/control in some areas i.e. pre-arranged marriage and are prepared to take the law into their own hands in the most brutal way if they are disobeyed. If it were their daughters being abused I feel sure effective measures would be taken to stop this behavioural trait without the need for external intervention.

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[iI ask them to think what they would feel if gangs of white men took out their girls, gave them presents, took them places, and then seduced, beat and passed them around. The men might say they were rescuing the girls from oppression, showing them a good time, saving them from a life of forced marriage and all that.

What then, if white Britons tacitly supported and excused the criminals? Well, comes the answer, that's not the same thing. But it is, it is. I tell them about at least three young Asian girls who have thus been entrapped and exploited. “That is their fault. They have become English, so of course these things happen to them.” What to do in the face of such attitudes?[/i

Is this the vibrant multi-cultural Britain we keep getting told is so wonderful?

Rotherham will merely be the tip of the iceberg. I expect there will be a few more councils and police forces sweating it right now.

Political correctness has gone way too far. It's about time criminal offences were dealt with equally, whatever the perpetrators race or religion. Playing the race card should no longer be an option.

A flawed concept which has allowed people to come here and set up their own little enclaves, sticking 2 fingers up at mainstream society.

Only to xenophobes and closet racists

All very easy to shout from your leafy middle-class suburb. A few weeks living in somewhere like Hounslow and I bet you would be changing your tune.

There are, quite clearly, people who have come to this country who have zero interest whatsoever in contributing to our society or conforming to our way of life. What is worse is that a number of these people are actively out to cause us harm.

Multiculturalism has done nothing but created enclaves of mono-cuturalism.

Wincanton a "leafy middle-class suburb"? Don't make me fooking laugh. It's a town of approximately 7000 inhabitants, many of whom are either Polish and Portuguese, with a healthy smattering of Chinese and Indian, Pakistani & Sri Lankan. We all seem to get along quite well, the blokes get their hair cut at the Portuguese barber, couples bypass ther cream tea for a decent cup of coffee and some Portuguese pastries. Some folks even go to the Polish shop to buy "something different". A Chinese guy runs the chippy, we have two Chinese takeaways and one restaurant and two Asian restaurants. Sorry, I almost forgot the Turkish kebabby. Not too shabby a mix for the size of town.



There are far more born & bred here, who would claim English parentage and have little to no inclination to ever assimilate themselves into society. So don't try that one



Are you still earning your coin offshore? If so, have you fully assimilated into German society?

I am talking about Pakistani men abusing Pakistani girls - not much chance of that happening - the community would soon sort that out without the need for police intervention

Isn't that the point in all this though? The fear of being outed as a racist despite the fact criminal offences had been committed. Rotherham council were scared to act due to the majority of men involved being of Pakistani origin. What's more important, keeping vulnerable children safe or keeping the PC brigade happy? This is a story that won't go away and will probably uncover more goings on across the country, just like the Savile revelations did. No single person is above the law.

What I do find puzzling in all of this is: South Yorkshire Police couldn't be bothered to properly investigate these allegations over the years but sent 20 coppers down to Berkshire for a ride in a helicopter over Cliff Richard's flat

I thought the same. They covered up Hillsborough, covered up child abuse yet showboated a search of Cliff Richard's flat based on one allegation. They must really hate the Millennium Prayer.

I forgot about that.

Maybe they did have justification then?

Everybody cares about "vulnerable children".

Apart from when they watch Benefits Street and Jeremy Kyle. Then they are "white trash" and "chav scum" and they are probably hated as much as "Paki's".

No doubt a host of politicians will be condemning SYP and SYSS. But many of these politicians will have also been massively cutting budgets and forcing extreme targets on the police at the same time.

I think convincing a social worker that you're a victim of crime will be very easy. In fact in many of the cases in this report the victims insisted that they weren't victims and that they were loved by their abusers. If the police are not informed of these allegations then how in hell are they supposed to investigate them?

An excellent assessment in the Mail [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2736283/From-sex-abuse-gangs-jihadis-State-s-fear-racist-letting-evil-thrive.htmltoday[/url by manzoor Moghal, which cuts right through the racist bull claims regurgitated by some of the more cretinous posters on here.

Your displaying the exact attitude that lead to the abuse of these girls. The people that failed to act in system are nothing but enablers.

This crime had a racial element, no denying that it was a hate crime. The racist and cultural attitudes of Pakistani men was at the route of all this. This a thing that been repeated throughout the Country that has a large lower income Pakistani Population. They will be no moving forward until this fact is acknowledged, race relations will continue to decline and girls will continue to get abused.

Fell free to split quote me and look in my closet.

It depends on your definition of abuse. At the docs recently I was sat there when a Pakistani woman came in followed by 3 more. All were wearing the full length full-face black monty. Tiny slit for eyes. From their assortment of sizes I would guess the 3 girls were aged something like 10 - 15. They were being registered at the practice as it has an Asian female GP.

These girls have been brainwashed into that particular extreme brand of religion and their lives are dominated by living under the strictest regime, they will have no real contact with British society, and men will rule everything they ever do, say or think. We have had the religious freedom debate many times over but these kids have had no choice whatsoever in the matter and now it is too late for them. Of course supporters of their flavour of religion will say that is how everyone MUST live their life and everyone else is wrong but for these girls there was never any choice nor ever will be. This includes strictures on how marriage is imposed on them and how they must basically submit to the wishes of men.

Is this child abuse? Under UK law, seemingly not.

Well said ... I feel the same.
But nobody will confront it ... they daren't for so many reasons.

I think the amount of attention given to the role of race in the lack of adequate response to these crimes is out of proportion.

I would suggest that other forces were also playing a part in the failure of social care and police and it shouldn't be laid purely at the door of political correctness or fear of being labelled racist.

Poor leadership, complicated chains of command, complacency, prejudice and lack of professionalism all played part.

Blaming it on multiculturalism would be a disservice to the victims. All lessons need to be learned otherwise this will just become another report that wasn't acted upon.

The police commissioner is being a little stubborn - he should have done the honourable thing as soon as this story got air time. Other than the money I can't see why he is hanging on?

Rotherham council proved they could act fast when they removed foster children from UKIP supporting foster parents on the basis that the parents' political views were at odds with those deemed suitable by the council.

This case is a total disgrace to this country and yet still there are attempts to play down the ethnic angle especially by the BBC who have gone out of their way to avoid discussing it. Anyone directly involved either at the council or the police who knew about the abuse but failed to act should be sacked immediately and feel themselves lucky that they are not facing criminal charges.

When I was a magistrate the most frustrating aspect of the role was dealing with kids from care homes. They'd get into trouble after being out all night with their "boyfriends"or in the case of the boys, lads that were a few years older. When you asked why that was allowed, why the "boyfriend" wasn't in court, the answer was just a shrug of the shoulders and "What can you do?"

The situation was then compounded as kids would be brought to court for the sort of petty offenses that probably happen thousands of times every night amongst squabbling siblings in family homes without the police being called. On the grounds that "Its the only way we can discipline them". We did make a concerted effort to get the CPS to stop bringing these prosecutions which had some success, but you did often think that the old fashioned option of a clip round the ear might have been more in their interests.

I know there are some terrible, abusive parents that should never be allowed to "raise" children. But putting them into "care" homes often seems to be just as bad.

Possibly the name Sharon Shoesmith might be on his mind ?

From my reading of the report I thought he was praised for bringing in improvements since he's taken over at the top. I might be wrong though as that wasn't the main reason that I read through most of the report.

I trust that all the people who are calling for his head have actually read the report and they are demanding his sacking based on his failings, and not the fact he's just at the top when the report was published.

I doubt it though.