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| Quote ="Ovavoo"43% of those who chose to vote, voted for the con party.
57% voted against them, even with Corbyn at the helm.
It's like watching the Wizard of Oz with the cowardly liar as head honcho.
Are you really pleased that the fool Johnson is going to be the person who will lead us into the post brexit nightmare and that he's the best we've got?'"
Fortunately for Johnson, the problems that will follow the HUGE debt brought on with covid, will dwarf any of the issues surrounding Brexit.
In "normal" times the failings of Brexit (and lack of any "upside" ) would be making the news headlines on a daily basis.
However, Covid has pretty much taken over, both in terms of spending and in terms of it being a much greater problem.
It's worth remembering that Bojo - the man of many faces, was, like his father, pro European, until he saw a chance to become PM and then, surprise, surprise, he changed sides.
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| In 2016, Starmer voted against an investigation into the Iraq war. I wonder why?
He has also consistently voted against reducing CGT and against increasing the tax threshold. Hang on, I thought Labour were “for the many”?
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| I wonder why Boris tried to get donors to pay for his fiancé expensive redecorating which is against the rules so had to pay for it himself because I guess he could not find a way to get the taxpayer to fund it like his now useless press room.
I am afraid you must stop living in the past or is that all you have the Iraq war. I believe the only thing to stop Cameron doing much the same was that Parliament voted against it, so war is not restricted to the Labour Party. We could go back to the formation of the NHS can you guess which party voted over 20 times for it not to be brought into existence and how many lives have been saved by the fact it was.
What have you got to say about the pandemic and the number that died in the U.K., who do you hold responsible for that Starmer I suppose because he voted against something in 2016 which was the same year a pandemic report was produced regarding our preparedness but mysteriously it was never published.I would think Johnson head must be near the ceiling with the number of reports he is sat on.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"43% of those who chose to vote, voted for the con party.
57% voted against them, even with Corbyn at the helm.
It's like watching the Wizard of Oz with the cowardly liar as head honcho.
Are you really pleased that the fool Johnson is going to be the person who will lead us into the post brexit nightmare and that he's the best we've got?'"
No single party has won more than 50% of the votes since 1931 - that includes all the Labour governments of Atlee, Wilson, Blair et al - did that make them any less legitimate than Johnson's current government?
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| Kier starmers approval rating is the lowest it ever has been.
Just shows that everyone bar a couple of people on rlfans prefer Boris over him. But of course, those 2 people on an insignificant forum know more than the rest of the country.
The next election will be hilarious. I reckon Labour may even struggle to finish second!
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| Boris' problem is he is led by his manhood - eventually that catches up with you.
His current lady will cause his demise - how can anyone justify >£2m on a refurb of a flat - Boris has no cash so where did the money come from? If a friend gave him the cash all OK if it was a donation then it needs declaring.
The issue around the second lockdown is all about protecting one of Carie's mates - she is trouble - must be very good at something - same goes for Meghan
Cummins is no fool - under estimate him at your peril - now you can see why Johnson tried to protect him!!
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"Boris' problem is he is led by his manhood - eventually that catches up with you.
His current lady will cause his demise - how can anyone justify >£2m on a refurb of a flat - Boris has no cash so where did the money come from? If a friend gave him the cash all OK if it was a donation then it needs declaring.
The issue around the second lockdown is all about protecting one of Carie's mates - she is trouble - must be very good at something - same goes for Meghan
Cummins is no fool - under estimate him at your peril - now you can see why Johnson tried to protect him!!'"
I agree
Cunnings will know every single one of Boris' little secrets and as such, as far as Bojo is concerned, is a very dangerous man.
Makes great news print though and it could be the beginning of the end for the current PM.
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| The biggest worry for Johnson is not if he did the things he is accused of but the fact it was in the Mail.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I agree
Cunnings will know every single one of Boris' little secrets and as such, as far as Bojo is concerned, is a very dangerous man.
Makes great news print though and it could be the beginning of the end for the current PM.'"
I cannot see him seeing the year out - too much noise this time
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"I cannot see him seeing the year out - too much noise this time'"
Again, I agree.
Apart from his cabinet, everyone else seems rather embarrassed by the actions of the PM.
He's tried the Trump style of, deny, deny, deny but, despite the absolute bias of the press, there is so much smoke around this particular political "fire" that he looks likely to be engulfed. Let's hope so.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Again, I agree.
Apart from his cabinet, everyone else seems rather embarrassed by the actions of the PM.
He's tried the Trump style of, deny, deny, deny but, despite the absolute bias of the press, there is so much smoke around this particular political "fire" that he looks likely to be engulfed. Let's hope so.'"
I agree - he has been embarrassing as the PM, very lucky the vaccination roll out has gone so well - the Tories are the most ruthless party going - he cannot last.
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"same goes for Meghan '"
I do feel that Harry has escaped the Royal Family more than being excluded from it. A gilded cage is still a cage, with little to look forward to for the second born. Even Charles has hung about his whole life, basically just waiting for a silly metal hat. It’ll be tough for Harry, he’ll inevitably be somewhat institutionalised, and it is a long, long shadow. But at least he’s got more of a shot at a real life now - more so than Andrew or Margaret managed, for example.
Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom" Cummins is no fool - under estimate him at your peril - now you can see why Johnson tried to protect him!!'"
The thing about Cummings is that he is very clever in some particular ways, and a bit of a div in others. In the same way an Olympic gold medalist weightlifter is a great athlete but you wouldn’t back them in the marathon. Cummings vs Johnson is an interesting clash of styles for a political knife fight.
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| I think we can expect good news next week because Johnson will be desperate to divert the attention from his multiple problems.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I do feel that Harry has escaped the Royal Family more than being excluded from it. A gilded cage is still a cage, with little to look forward to for the second born. Even Charles has hung about his whole life, basically just waiting for a silly metal hat. It’ll be tough for Harry, he’ll inevitably be somewhat institutionalised, and it is a long, long shadow. But at least he’s got more of a shot at a real life now - more so than Andrew or Margaret managed, for example.
The thing about Cummings is that he is very clever in some particular ways, and a bit of a div in others. In the same way an Olympic gold medalist weightlifter is a great athlete but you wouldn’t back them in the marathon. Cummings vs Johnson is an interesting clash of styles for a political knife fight.'"
I doubt we will have a monarchy after Charles - Harry could have easily got a proper job and lived a reasonably normal life away from the royal duties. Sadly in-breeding put paid to that.
Cummings seems to be a great strategist - he understands how to win not what to do after - he seems almost autistic?
If he has all his ducks in a row then he could damage Boris - not fatally - but it will sow the seeds of his demise.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I think we can expect good news next week because Johnson will be desperate to divert the attention from his multiple problems.'"
Bojo will be needing sedatives after Starmer boxed him in yesterday.
Boris seemed to lose his cool a little at PMQ's and Starmer remained ice cool.
Just who did initially pay for these (very) expensive flat renovations ?
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| Starmer has fallen even more behind Boris in the polls despite his cheap John Lewis stunt. Probably because he rocked around rawtenstall whilst totally ignoring the Covid guidelines. Obviously thinks they don’t apply to him lmao.
Surely he must go down as the worst Labour leader ever. Can anyone think of anyone worse? Even Corbyn was better and that’s saying something lmao
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| I knew care in the community would never work with the funding provided by the Conservatives.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Bojo will be needing sedatives after Starmer boxed him in yesterday.
Boris seemed to lose his cool a little at PMQ's and Starmer remained ice cool.
Just who did initially pay for these (very) expensive flat renovations ?'"
Completely agree - unfortunately the Tories are so far ahead in the polls that Johnson can virtually walk on water - and the cost of the flat doesn't even register. People just want to get back to normal - get vaccinated and move on. If the vaccination program continues at this pace Boris will be fine until the polls move against the Tories but Labour is bland I can't see how this will change.
Maybe at the end of furlough when unemployment will rise significantly then the tide might turn?
How much did they spend on the upgrade of the Lord Chancellor's gaff under Blair?
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"Completely agree - unfortunately the Tories are so far ahead in the polls that Johnson can virtually walk on water - and the cost of the flat doesn't even register. People just want to get back to normal - get vaccinated and move on. If the vaccination program continues at this pace Boris will be fine until the polls move against the Tories but Labour is bland I can't see how this will change.
Maybe at the end of furlough when unemployment will rise significantly then the tide might turn?
How much did they spend on the upgrade of the Lord Chancellor's gaff under Blair?'"
Labour are too bland, very worthy but bland.
Reckon nowadays for whatever reason, it's popularity and personality over intellect and integrity. That's why the tories are so attractive to posters like Steph Curry.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Labour are too bland, very worthy but bland.
Reckon nowadays for whatever reason, it's popularity and personality over intellect and integrity. That's why the tories are so attractive to posters like Steph Curry.'"
It is what it has always been about - what matters to the public.
If Lisa Nandy had her way all our vaccines would be sent to India - she doesn't want to question why there is no lockdown in India, why they spend a tiny % of GDP on medical care, why huge religious festivals are still going on etc. This is why Labour are out of touch with public sentiment.
The general public can see why there are issues in India - Labour don't want to address them because it might not be very woke - worthy maybe but out of touch with the electorate definitely.
Labour would have us in lockdown indefinitely because that suits their support base - all you ever hear for not opening up - there will be a new variant - its not a realistic view point - its worthy but not what bothers the electorate
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Labour are too bland, very worthy but bland.
Reckon nowadays for whatever reason, it's popularity and personality over intellect and integrity. That's why the tories are so attractive to posters like Steph Curry.'"
Looking at the polling numbers it isn't just Steph
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"It is what it has always been about - what matters to the public.
If Lisa Nandy had her way all our vaccines would be sent to India - she doesn't want to question why there is no lockdown in India, why they spend a tiny % of GDP on medical care, why huge religious festivals are still going on etc. This is why Labour are out of touch with public sentiment.
The general public can see why there are issues in India - Labour don't want to address them because it might not be very woke - worthy maybe but out of touch with the electorate definitely.
Labour would have us in lockdown indefinitely because that suits their support base - all you ever hear for not opening up - there will be a new variant - its not a realistic view point - its worthy but not what bothers the electorate'"
Is this just another litany of whataboutism? Labour aren't in government, your incompetent bunch are.
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"Looking at the polling numbers it isn't just Steph'"
Yip, about 43% of the electorate, judging by the last general election.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Is this just another litany of whataboutism? Labour aren't in government, your incompetent bunch are.'"
How do you explain Labour's desperate showing in the polls - the quotes to Nandy are correct listen to JHB show on Wednesday where she was interviewed.
She wanted to stop vaccinating the younger adults and send the vaccine's to India - no shortening of lockdown maybe a another variant, not the time to tackle the issues in India in respect of health care etc.
Labour simply are not relevant.
Another desperate attempt by Van der Leyen's biatch - you need to change the record
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