While we're waiting ...

This reminds me of that research a year or so ago that claimed that left-leaning people were more intelligent than right-leaning ones.

One wonders if this is illustrated by what seems to be a quite widespread approach from those with apparently right-wing views of rubbishing something (but not from a point of view of fact) and then running away when faced with straight questions, and never ever positing any sort of alternative (which would, admittedly, require an iota of imagination at the least)?

I personally find that if i lean to much to the left or right i tend to fall over, it's why being generally in the middle seems the logical conclusion, obviously a little leaning in both directions will still keep me on my legs as long as i don't go too far.

I'm delighted that you've changed your mind on UKIP, then.

All parties have policies i agree with, i've always been a floating voter, my bridges though are burned with Labour/Conservative.

Same old he said she said and no substance with any of them, i'm actually thinking of 'wasting' my vote and voting for an independent.

It's tempting but I am careful with findings like that.
I once read that left-[uhanded[/u people were more likely to have a high IQ ... but that they were more likely to have a low IQ as well.
i.e. They had a greater tendency away from the average.

Oh, I appreciate that, but, y'know ...

Garage's latest idea is to cut MP's salaries by 75%, thus returning us to the good old days when you had to be rich to be an MP. What an

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Now of that i have the opposite opinion, these guys are running GB PLC like it or not, yes we know they're all vile sub human scum but you pay peanuts and you get monkeys.
I'd have pay structures depending on you position.

PM obviously being on the top wack, all the top cabinet jobs being on another rate, so on and so forth.

If applying those rules would you at the same time insist on some sort of track record as a successful CEO in order to run GB PLC ?

It would solve the problem of university graduates walking straight into parliament based on the fact that they went to a specific university and passed the required PPE degree but you could see the likes of George Osborne serving on the board of his fathers business for a year and claiming the required "work experience".

I'd love to see a complete shake up of our system, now who do we need to put the wheels in motion...Politicians, now that sounds like a pl....ahhh, i think i've just seen the stumbling block

That's how it works already.

I know they claim to be undervalued and underpaid but there never seems to be any shortage of candidates for the job. I can't honestly remember the last time an MP (apart from The Speaker), went into an election completely unopposed. Given that they are on just shy of 3x average salary and they get the most comprehensive expenses package bar none, in addition to no requirement to actually turn up for work and a holiday entitlement that would make a schoolteacher jealous, they're still not too badly off.

I would imagine that there really are plenty of intelligent people who have real-world (© Sal Paradise) experience and would do a damn fine job if only they were given an opportunity to stand for a major party. Unfortunately the Westminster Village usually prevents this happening

Look at people like John Mann, he'd struggle to get £20k a year anywhere other than Parliament, likewise many on all benches, as you say, they are hardly working hard for the benefit of the population (regardless of their political persuasion)

He's only in opposition, but admittedly, a tool.
Look at some cabinet ministers who are far more worthy in outlining your point.
Hunt, Shapps, Pickles, there's three waste of skins off the top of my head.

I agree, I have met all three, and none of them have the first idea about the real world, it takes a certain type of self promoting person to go into Parliament, most local councilors are ok (if somewhat deluded about their impact), I have yet to meet any MP that isn't a self serving individual.

Four.

Four wastes of skins if you're including Pickles.

Possibly five.

An ex Union rep at the place i work, very very good at getting people off the rap, very good at implementing stuff HE wanted to see in the garage but time after time people complained that they'd go to him with problems and he just wasn't interested or HE didn't want to see it. People wanted a common rota, he opposed it because it didn't suit him, people then wanted a fixed time rota, again he put a stop to it. He was exceptional at putting through stuff he wanted but couldn't care less about the majority of the workers which in the end made him very unpopular, he has now left for a fairly high up position in Unite and i won't be divulging his name.

Again, the most altruistic people are in it for one thing, self.

Unions, in the modern world, are just barriers to progress.

Strange that it wouldn't affect him and his mates, isn't it?

I'm a little concerned that Ajw71 may have missed this, as the thread has developed, [url=http://viewtopic.php?p=17456004&tsmp=1373189619#p17456004so here's a convenient reminder of the latest direct question that he/she was asked and has, as yet, not had the opportunity to answer[/url.

You're right of course.
Individual or collective workers should have no representation in the modern world.
We'll leave business to look after each and every one of them.

You misunderstand me (or maybe I am not good at explaining myself) the traditional roles of Unions is vital, but recent behaviour has done done little to promote the common cause.

Why does Bob Crowe earn in excess of £100k a year, and yet remain in social housing?

Personally, I dislike Crow. However, he remains in his job – elected and re-elected – because he does what his members want him to do.

It really shows the paucity of an argument if the major complaint against him is that he hasn't moved to somewhere that the [iDaily Mail[/i approves of (which of course it never would). It's a [iDaily Mail[/i complaint, this – along with complaining about Dave Prentis because he and his family [idon't[/i live in a council house. Indeed, it was quite hilarious a year or so ago, when that rag decided, on it's website, to recycle (as though it were 'news') pictures from Google that had Dave washing his car.

We've been here before, haven't we?
Why was Dame Shirley Porter allowed to flog off social housing in Westminster cheap to her friends?
She was a Conservative criminal.
Crow is a law abiding citizen as far as I'm aware.

Doesn't make the law right, or just.

He's a scum bag, like Scargill and Kinnock, want to see everyone else fail rather than anyone progress.

You're coming across as rather sad, bitter and twisted.

He wants to see working poeple do well, well enough to be able to live without needing state handouts to pay for rent and basic subsistence.

Why aren't you having a go at the landlords who are charging rents that need taxpayer subsidy or the employers who refuse to pay wages that would avoid similar action?

Could it be that you are a landlord by any chance?