Who are you to call God stupid? Where does the light come from in Heaven? Certainly not the stars in our universe. And who says that the light in the first few days has been done away with?

Vast amounts of evidence from observable evidence suggests that they in fact did.



Unfortunately for you the scientific evidence flushes this particular assertion down the toilet.

This is the god that you would have us believe decided to make previously placid, herbivorous dinosaurs begin feeding on other dinosaurs in response to a species of ape eating an apple without his consent?

If the cap fits...



Seriously? That's your best argument? There is absolutely no evidence that heaven exists, much less that there is a physics-defying light source present there.



What? You mean he's just hidden this mysterious source of light to test our faith. Sneaky bugger.

Even if Kirstaller is on a big trolling mission, the worrying thing is, there are many many people who believe what he believes, and demand to be respected for it.

Species of ape? Death entered the world following man's rebellion against God.



There is conclusive evidence for those who accept the Holy Spirit.

[i"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." [/iMatthew 7:7



Why are you banging on about the source? God created light, HE is the source. No test of faith involved.

Good job too, we'd be standing on each others shoulders by now and some of us would be 2000 years old, I don't want to be walking around with someone standing on my shoulders when I'm 2000 years old.

But surely the plants would die when they were eaten by the dinosaurs?

You don't accept any of the evidence for evolution?


No mate, that's acceptance, not evidence.


I think I understand he what was saying... i.e. God created an animal that emits light, yet didn't create light itself until days later.
There's a chronological disrupt there.
But I guess you'd say that's no big problem for god, he can nip about the space/time continuum at will.
That could be fair enough, as we theorise that subatomic particles can cease to exist in one place and come into being again, immediately, in another place ... without actually travelling between the two places.
In which case, it's the chroniclers who got it wrong, framing the creation as a linear series of events in time.
... and that would lead me to ask if they can't get the basics right, why should I trust the arcane extrapolations of what blokes wandering the Med said, recorded in the same book?

The so-called Adam and Eve would have been around more than 2000 years ago surely?
I'm thinking tens of thousands of years ... in the Great Rift Valley.
But not both at the same time.
Unless all we have discovered about genes is wrong too.

Plant "death" is different than animal or human death. Plants eat, drink, grow and respond to stimuli, but they do not have a central nervous system. Nor do they have blood. According to scripture only organisms with blood in them are "alive".

[i“For the life of the flesh is in the blood…”[/i Leviticus 17:11

Plants do not die in the biblical sense of the word, because they are not "alive" in the biblical sense.

Humans and animals also posses a state of consciousness that plants can not. The Hebrew word "nephesh" is the word used in the Bible for consciousness. Nephesh is only used in application to man and animals. Plants are not conscious creatures.

Sin brought death to man and animals only. Plants do not truly die in the sense that humans and animals do.

I accept that some people believe there is evidence. However I believe that mankind was created in its present form.



It’s is evidence enough for me and millions of other believers. It’s your decision whether to accept God’s invitation or not and see the evidence for yourself.



But light can exist independent of our known sources of light, especially in the context of an all-powerful God.



Of course, God exists outside of time. The Alpha and the Omega.



I don’t understand what you are saying here. Can you clarify?



The creation of the world was linear and happened in 6 distinct days.



Again, clarify your above point and I’ll get back to you. I don’t think any ‘basic’ errors have been made.

Then sir, you are a barm pot. And I am putting it politely.

I quote the late Christopher Hitchens. Exceptional claims demand exceptional evidence. I really would like to see what you've got.

You have to admire Kirkstaller's ability to completely hijack any thread at will.

its all written in a book apparently, all you have to do is read it and wait for the blinding flash of light and the hand pointing at you from the clouds.

A bit like winning the lottery.

'tis fun though...

So you are telling me now that Humans and Animals are ‘conscious’ in the same way?

I can show you the Bible and ask you to invite Jesus into your heart. Are you willing to do that at least?

I started on-topic and was dragged off-topic by questions posed to me by others.

I'm waiting for the resident demon to show and go on a modding spree....

Animals are conscious in that they are sentient beings that can make decisions.

There's no evidence however to suggest that they have a soul or a spirit which is taken on into the next life.

Invite Jesus into my heart? what are you on about. Like much that is spouted by Religious people its just all wishy washy rubbish.

As for showing me the bible. How is a multi translated book of Chinese whispers, originally written by goat herders over many centuries in a time when we didn't know any better, classed as piece of evidence?

I've just bought my nephew the complete Mr Men book series, doesn't mean there was ever a round blue guy covered in bandages walking around, with an orange pal with very long arms who loves a bit of a tickle.

Pretty much like Human Beings then.

Humans are a species of ape, something that biologists realised long before the theory of evolution by natural selection had been formulated.



The evidence shows that humans have been on this planet for 100-200 thousand years and life has been around for over 3.5 billion years. Death predates the existence the existence of humans regardless of what your book of myths has to say on the subject.



This is confirmation bias, If you start from the position that the bible is true and seek to prove your original position then you are likely to ignore evidence to the contrary and only find "evidence" which supports your original position.

As a consequence if you begin with the conclusion that something is true and then seek evidence to support this view then you will usually arrive at the conclusion that your initial position is correct. This does not however show that your initial position is correct.

It's not wishy washy rubbish. You need to be truly open to the idea in order to be in a position to accept it.



How do you know they were goat herders? And if they were, why does that even matter?



No it doesn't, but you can't experience the same level of personal relationship with a fictional character than you can with Jesus.

Humans are humans, unless, of course, you can show me a human who isn't a human?



I don't know how long humans or any life has been around, though obviously animals and plants are slightly older than mankind.



I used to be a non-believer and was fascinated with the arguments put forward by the likes of Sagan and Dawkins. My born again experience occurred AFTER hearing all the supposed evidence to the contrary.



The Holy Spirit drew me closer to God and then I learned more about Jesus and was born again. Call the work of the Spirit what you want.