Sorry ZZB but, do you think that is acceptable to have people treating you for an illness if they could pass on a virus that may kill you.
Of course, if you're having a heart attack and the choice is no help or, let someone treat you who has covid then, most people would want to take their chances of catching covid.
However, when you have hospitals treating people with suppressed immune systems, you cant have staff passing on the virus.
Mind you, if Cummings is to be believed, in Bojo's mind, the over 80's dont matter so, perhaps we should allow covid to "take" those with cancer as well.
In fact, we could start euthanizing any vulnerable groups, it might save a few bob







You simply cant have infected people treating people in hospital.

What I am saying is there is risk in anything - if you need incubation for Covid it doesn't matter to you if the people treating have a very small risk <10% of carry the virus. Same goes for most life threatening conditions you just want to saved.

In your scenario the NHS closes - there will be so many pinged it will not be able to function - so many people will die - its about risk.

I agree about Johnson - he doesn't care a jot

On a brighter note infections seem to have peaked which is a good sign all round

Which is exactly the Conservative Governments intention before someone pointed out that mass deaths wasn't a good "vote catcher", but now they've already stacked the bodies anyway, they're doubling down on their supposed vax success by going herd at full steam.

I know we're just a tiny little island of 5 million and we're OK at sport and farming, but I'd happily see out my days here in isolation than spend a second in a country that has a government who are hoping "death figures don't get too high"......it's wartime and you lot are being sent over the top again whilst the rich count their profits.

I understand your sentiment (about being happy to stay on your island). However, assuming that Covid isn't going away anytime soon, I'm not sure that perpetual lockdowns is a great way to carry on in the longer term.
Having said that, if our government had managed a better level of control for people moving in and out of the country, we would certainly be in a better position now than we are.
The mixed messaging from Government over here is unbelievable, hypocrisy and confusion with every new day and an opposition party without any coherent strategy, which leaves Bojo & Co to carry on regardless.

Are you allowed to change the thread title as you didn’t start it, or is it just to suit your own agenda

One thing that Covid has reminded us all is that the Tories don't give a flying one about ordinary folk!

But they said they were going to level up.

Probably.

Well he’s right. Just look at the disgraceful “protest” towards doctors and nurses at Trafalgar Square.

Lol. We've had 3/4 days of reduced cases and you believe it's peaked ??

At least you've made me chuckle this morning

Another grovelling apology, this time from the recently appointed Health Secretary.
Has there ever been such a bunch of ******* charlatans?

I wouldn't trust a word from that conman Vallance. Deliberately giving mixed messages to confuse the public.

The COVID-19 Actuaries Response Group reported in the over 50s both the unvaccinated and those give one dose under 21 days only make up 34% of hopsitalised cases as at 21 June.

Have you concluded your "research yet" and if so, what action should have been taken over the last 18 months+ and what action would you suggest in the coming months ?
No vaccinations, no masks, no distancing etc
What about hospital treatment and staff working within the care sector ?

A tiny bit of knowledge is such a dangerous thing for some people.

Truth hurts when it doesn't fit your vaccine narrative.

Patients in a UK hospital with a positive test in the last 28 days on 22/07/2020 - 1,747
Patients in a UK hospital with a positive test in the last 28 days on 22/07/2021 - 5,001

7 day average number of deceased people who had had a positive test result and died within 28 days by 15/07/2020 - 18
7 day average number of deceased people who had had a positive test result and died within 28 days by 15/07/2021 - 46

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Facts speak for themselves, we are in a worst position than this time last year.

Temporary ban on all flights into the country in December to give time to allow for an urgent risk assessment, I would've never spent £569 million on ventilators or £35 million on the NHS C19 app, rather spending billions on test & trace this money would be better spent on designing & building germ/virus free hospitals, increased hospital capacity & fast tracked critical care training for nurses, N95 masks available for all healthcare workers, "non essential" shops/services "allowed" to stay open, early randomised control trials across all environments to establish what preventive measures actually work and don't work (distancing, paper masks etc), targeted recommended stay at home orders for all vulnerable individuals that could be threatened by the affects of the virus, protect care homes by incentivsing carers to stay in the care home and not dumping sick patients into them, well advertised free delivery service (food, medical etc) available to all elderly and vulnerable, greater research into existing safe treatments to both prevent & cure, performance based targets on those making decisions i.e. doing X will result in a reduction of Y, if not achieved then they would be made to leave their post, production of safe inactivated vaccines to those that require it, advertising importance of good health i.e. exercise & diet, continued treating non C19 patients to prevent the 13 million NHS backlog.

We were in complete lockdown this time last year though, the number of cases was far fewer than it is now, which you'd expect if nobody is leaving their home.

"Cases" are of no major interest at this point; it's just a positive PCR result for SARS-COV2. Besides we had no sophisticated wide spread billion pound mass testing system in place last summer. We were only conducting around 100,000 tests a day whereas we are now testing over a million people.

Correct me if I'm wrong but lockdown was eased on 15th June last year; all non-essential shops were allowed to re-open along with galleries, museums, pubs, restaurants and cinemas. From 6 July, non-essential overseas travel was permitted. On 25th July indoor gyms, pools and other sports facilities reopened. As restrictions were lifted we didn't see this level of hospitalisation/deaths until October last year.

Looking at the Governments published figures I'm not convinced by this vaccine programme at all. I suppose we will find out if I'm wrong in October.

darwin award nominees keep coming......
JUNE 2020: Stephen Harmon, a member of Hillsong megachurch and a vocal opponent of vaccines, tweeted to his 7,000 followers:

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JULY 23RD 2020. Stephen Harmon, a member of Hillsong megachurch and a vocal opponent of vaccines DIES OF COVID 19

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Good to see infections starting to drop, given we have no lockdown, no enforced distance or masks - how has this happened?

That is entirely what you would expect to see when the majority of the population in that group is fully vaccinated, so I am not sure what you are trying to say.

I would not gloat until the effects of freedom day filter through, this should be sometime this week.

There is no denying the drop in cases is positive, especially when it doesn't appear to be solely caused by a reduction in testing. Let's hope it continues.

Schools finishing will have a positive effect as will all the nice weather. Make the most of it while you can. There's bound to be some ups and downs yet.

Meanwhile in Mental Health Trusts we're seeing the effects of the pandemic in terms of its effect on mental health. We also have 6000 fewer beds than we had in 2010 which was a real problem before all this started.

You are in the most invidious position - the lockdown will drive up mental health issues - was the trade off really worth it?