Labour HQ has now declared all out war on Labour Party members by suspending (banning) all CLP meetings until after the Leadership election. Wouldn't want any of us debating any of the issues or holding any Labour MP's up to scrutiny by passing any CLP no confidence motions in them, now would they? They can have their confidence motions but we can't have ours.

It's also rumoured the gate has been firmly closed for anyone baulking at having to shell out £25 who may be considering joining UNITE or any other affiliated union in order to register for a vote. I wonder how many in total they'll keep off the ballot this time around?

I've not had my eligibility to vote removed (not yet anyhow) as I joined the Labour Party within an hour of Corbyn being elected leader last year.

The coup attempt ain't over yet by some distance.

Will Angela Eagle even survive the next 48 hours?

Three weeks ago I had no idea she existed. I suspect that three weeks ago many people had no idea who Jeremy Corbyn was either.

I can't see it any other way than that.

Who ?

You really couldn't make this up. They accuse Corbyn of being out of touch with Labour's traditional working class base then come up with this bull crap as their main policy?! They must really hate democracy. www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... our-leader

You really couldn't make this up. They accuse Corbyn of being out of touch with Labour's traditional working class base then come up with this bull crap as their main policy?! They must really hate democracy. www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... our-leader

Quote ="LeighGionaire"You really couldn't make this up. They accuse Corbyn of being out of touch with Labour's traditional working class base then come up with this bull crap as their main policy?! They must really hate democracy. www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... our-leader'" He may as well offer free gold bars and trips to the moon. In fact he would have more chance of delivering on those promises.

Quote ="LeighGionaire"You really couldn't make this up. They accuse Corbyn of being out of touch with Labour's traditional working class base then come up with this bull crap as their main policy?! They must really hate democracy. www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... our-leader'" He may as well offer free gold bars and trips to the moon. In fact he would have more chance of delivering on those promises.

Is there any data people who associate themselves with a party and how they voted in the EU referendum?

Eg Those that associate with Labour: 55% leave 45% stay?

I would imagine a ukip support share would be high 90% leave.

But is there any breakdown facts?

In terms of "associate with a party" I haven't seen any data on that yet, at least not with the kind of categorisation of association used above. That will come but it's a more extensive data gathering exercise.

In terms of how people voted in last year's general it was a 63 / 37 split in favour of remain for Labour voters.

For snap immediately before and immediately after voting there's only really one readily available source and it's the disgraced (I assume) former Tory party deputy chairman, [url=http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/£ord Ashcroft[/url. But it's generally useful and interesting.

4% of UKIP voters opted to stay.

I'm going to say that agin.

4% of UKIP voters opted to stay.

I even typed it again, I couldn't copy and paste. I had to feel that flow through my fingers.

(PDF link at the bottom. I'll spare you all another rant on appropriate formats for raw data exchange)

This article sums things up: www.independent.co.uk/voices/jer ... 36711.html

This article sums things up: www.independent.co.uk/voices/jer ... 36711.html

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https://medium.com/@matatatatat/the-ter ... .lf5v3srip

Quote ="Dally"This article sums things up: www.independent.co.uk/voices/jer ... 36711.html'" Read that in the pub before the derby match on Thursday. It's a brilliant - and brilliantly funny - article. Here's another from the Independent. Will come as no surprise, but still staggering to see the extent of the bias in black and white. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 40681.html The research director at the London School of Economics who led the project suggests this undermines democracy in the UK. It's hard to disagree. The extent of the misrepresentation really raises the suggestion that Corbyn is in actual fact perceived to be a real threat.

Quote ="Dally"This article sums things up: www.independent.co.uk/voices/jer ... 36711.html'" Read that in the pub before the derby match on Thursday. It's a brilliant - and brilliantly funny - article. Here's another from the Independent. Will come as no surprise, but still staggering to see the extent of the bias in black and white. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 40681.html The research director at the London School of Economics who led the project suggests this undermines democracy in the UK. It's hard to disagree. The extent of the misrepresentation really raises the suggestion that Corbyn is in actual fact perceived to be a real threat.

This support of Corbyn does show though that there is a real cry from the people for a left wing alternative.

You have all the daft parties of the far right, then UKIP a little further in, followed by the Tories and then marginally to the right New Labour.
The Lib Dems consigned themselves to the dustbin aligning themselves with the Tories so what choices do the people have? They can vote Green, knowing full well that a high percentage of a mainly right wing country (England) see them as a fruitcakes (i vote for them, says everything) or they can try to force one of the establishment parties over to the left, which is what they are trying to do with a Corbyn lead Labour. I feel for them i really do.

Which is why we need Proportional Representation. It would ensure everyone's vote counted and the left could vote for the Greens (or whoever) and the right could vote for UKIP without feeling like its a wasted vote. I'm certain a PR system would see a much higher vote for the non-mainstream parties. Which would give a more accurate account of people's views across the country.

It would also give a platform for the far right as it does in France. Are you happy for that to happen? I'm not sure I am.

I find France very strange in that regard. I know several educated French people and am surprised at their almost open disgust towards those of arab or African origin in their country. It seems very targeted at those in France rather than the stereotyped dislike of non-whites everywhere.

Since a lot of people on my FB feed are sharing "They called Attlee unelectable too" memes atm, here's the actual polling data. www.markpack.org.uk/files/2016/0 ... dsheet.xls There is one single, solitary occasion where the predicted margin of victory for Attlee drops below 6%. Glad people are finding solace in it though, even if it is complete bllocks and always was.

Since a lot of people on my FB feed are sharing "They called Attlee unelectable too" memes atm, here's the actual polling data. www.markpack.org.uk/files/2016/0 ... dsheet.xls There is one single, solitary occasion where the predicted margin of victory for Attlee drops below 6%. Glad people are finding solace in it though, even if it is complete bllocks and always was.

Not particularly, as I said people who vote UKIP would have their vote "count" too (I class UKIP as far right). But I think it's preferable to this sort of slow burn effect of disenchantment where people feel their views aren't encapsulated by the 2 main parties and yet feel their only real choices when it comes to an election is to either vote for one of those parties, vote for another party as a protest but knowing it won't really be counted, or, as many people do, not vote at all.

For example, the Labour Party is moving too far to the Right for my liking. Consequently I can either keep voting Labour, vote for the Green Party but know it's entirely wasted, or not vote.

I'll probably keep voting Labour, but it just leaves me feeling p|ssed off and not at all represented.

PR enables other party involvement, which as you rightly point out isn't always good, but I think if those views are held by people in this country then we should acknowledge those views and challenge them rather than let them fester under the surface. The BNP grew steadily for years out of spotlight, one Question Time performance and they were finished.

That's normal isn't it? I recall arguing with friends from SE London and the Black Country respectively when I was but a student many years ago about their overtly racist tendencies. Their answer was that "you don't live among "them"". So I would guess that the French position is typical.

I was in a bar in Atlanta, and rather bravely/foolishly given I was a stranger (although I would do it again) was defending black people against these 2 overtly racist white Americans.
"Sure everyone of you liberals loves n---a's until you have to live with them"

I'd never heard anything as shocking in my life in the way it was so blatant, I pointed out I not only lived with black people but that my best friend was black which I thought might shut them up.
Replied with "that's part of the reason you're overrun with Muslims, they'll be in control soon and you'll be on your knees asking us to pull you out of the again like we did with the Germans"
I came back with only 4% of the UK is Muslim and that it was the Russians that really won the war.. "typical commie response, and that's why we run the world now not you".

I then realised that you can't argue with someone who is blind to facts and has their mind made up, I can deal with ignorance but wilfully ignorant is another thing.
It also made me question "free speech" in America, it can be quite disconcerting in fact.
Here it seems to be different, give people a platform on racism and they are usually crushed, allowing the BNP on to question time was a bold move, the correct move and in the end the final nail in their sorry coffins.

Bring in PR, initially I think it will be a bit rubbish with the right having a very big say, but I also think it will make Labour work harder to bring people back to the left, I think all the big parties have become complacent under fptp

Will be interesting to see whether this 180,000+ who have just paid £25 to vote are Corbyn fans or not. If they are, then you can see why the press / establishment deride him continuously - Labour now has 571,000 members and if the majority are supporting him that suggests people want serious change. It is not an insubstantial number to have made the effort to join and pay £3 / £25. For every one that has signed up there are probably 10 or more that have the same view but can't be bothered.

Or of that 180,000 , 150,000 are Tories who've paid to keep him at the helm of the rapidly sinking good ship Labour ?

Still trying to work out why others work very hard to make others rich so they can enjoy the benefits at the expense of those who actually create the wealth and then keep voting for a party who believe in a discredited unfair system that allows them to be exploited in such a way.
Then again people do have the right to be stupid.

Corbyn would get rid of trident

He gets my vote

Regards

King james

He would , but he won't

I agree with loads of ' green ' issues and the parties policy's , never happen though

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36852222 Seems the only option if Corbyn wins?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36852222 Seems the only option if Corbyn wins?