I'm not talking about churches in NI. Churches in England weren't attacked in response to terrorist acts on the mainland.

I know, but you seemed to be missing the point that was being made about Al Qaeda and Islam

No, but that is because in England the IRA was largely seen as a nationalist organisation and not a religious one.

Then maybe you could rephrase the point?

This reads like a justification for attacking that mosque.
Please tell me it isn't.

Maybe you could read the thread properly and not jump into a point before you know what is being discussed?

Maybe you could stop being so defensive and rude?

I thought I [ihad[/i understood the point. If I haven't, then it's up to the person making the point to rephrase it so that I [ican[/i understand it.

Either that or the racist scumbags in the EDL (or its equivalent) could separate the IRA from all Catholics in a way they are unable to separate Al Qaeda from all Muslims.

I don't think the EDL existed back in the day of IRA activity but I'm sure there were similar although I don't ever remember hearing mention of them (mind you there wasn't a 24 hour news service back then either or social networking sites so I'm sure we were a lot less informed generally).

The actions or remit of the EDL cannot be justified. Sadly, alas, it is the way of some forms of humanity to misdirect their anger.

How many Muslims were there in the UK in 1707? How many when I was a kid even?

What percentage odf the UK population were practicising Muslims in 1700? 1800? 1900? 1960?

Don't you read the news or even listen to muslim spokesmen on TV? Where do these youngsters get indoctrinated with this hate for the society they live in?

It isn't. The point I was making was that just perhaps it is an manifestation of a change in public attitudes that our politicians need to reflect.

I get my news from sources other than the Daily Mail.

So not the left-wing BBC either then I see.

Er, no. It's up to you to re-read it and try to understand it.

I have no idea on the first one, but that page suggests there were 50000 in 1961 and 226000 in 1971. Anything else you want me to read for you?

I don't recall the BBC trying to demonise all Muslims because of the actions of a very small minority of Muslims, no.

Interesting muslim viewpoints:

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Thank you Jerry. I am indeed aware of how the law works, but that was not the question.

I'll ask you once again, if a couple of Yorkshire's Jihadists stormed in to disrupt your Sunday lunch, and proceeded to behead your youngest daughter, would you be quite so sanguine? Would their "rights" to exercise their own brand of political terrorism trump your daughter's right to life?

Or would this fine Liberal conscience which we see in your latest manifestation as "JerryChicken" simply dismiss it as a price worth paying in the greater scheme of things?

I much preferred the wit and humour of Mclaren Field.

Growing up on my estate there was much anger, frustration and violence.

Yet none of us beheaded anyone.

One question for that chap, is why are the muslim youth so different then? Lots of people were unhappy about invading Iraq or Afghanistan. Don't recall anyone beheading anyone there either.

A refreshingly large dose of common sense and realism there in that interview.

Well I haven't read every page of this thread but after the first half dozen its going pretty much as I'd expect!

Sorry if this theory has been posted before but to me this looks like a couple of nutters who have latched onto the terrorism angle for their attack rather than something as organised as what we normally see a terrorist attack constituting.

I mean if someone Irish bloke walked into a bar and shot a load of people in Moss Side in Manchester and said nowt no one would jump to the conclusion he was a an Irish Republican. Even if he did so yelling "Down with the British" I still don't think people would automatically assume such a random attack meant this person was associated with the Republican movement.

There would be an investigation to find out.

Did he have any links to Republican organisations, was he a known sympathiser and so on?

It's got to be the same here. This incident will be investigated and one of the main things they will try and find out is things like have the perpetrators been abroad to be be trained, has there been any evidence of radicalisation and so on. Or are they just a pair of psychotic lunatics who have latched onto a "cause"?

My view is it is much more likely to be the latter and if it is it is not much different to some nutter in the USA doing a random shooting. Most people who do these things have some grievance but are NOT part of some terrorist organisation. I'd wager it is the same here.

You could well be right, but from 12,000 miles away I appear to see this happening more and more in the UK. I hear stories from people back in London from time to time as well as seeing the odd article in the national and local press. And I suspect there is a much larger growing frustration amongst people back home who aren't as liberal or were more liberal and are getting fed up with this. This could be why people like the EDL will get bigger and bigger until things are addressed and not ignored.

You do?

Could you post links to all these increasing accounts of attacks like this, please. I must have missed them.