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| Quote ="Cardinal O'Brien"Imagine for a moment that the Government had decided to legalise slavery but assured us that ‘no one will be forced to keep a slave’.
“Would such worthless assurances calm our fury? Would they justify dismantling a fundamental human right? Or would they simply amount to weasel words masking a great wrong?”'"
Disgusting. The sooner bigots like this are denied the oxygen of publicity the better. Horrible little man.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Disgusting. The sooner bigots like this are denied the oxygen of publicity the better. Horrible little man.'"
I particularly enjoyed his comment about "the tyranny of tolerance", which perhaps says everything.
But the other examples I provided are hardly pleasant.
And I could have added [url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45794260/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/thousands-israel-protest-against-jewish-extremists/#.T1SfUZj6l5gthis[/url, which has been mentioned previously on this forum, albeit in passing.
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| Quote ="Mintball"I particularly enjoyed his comment about "the tyranny of tolerance", which perhaps says everything.'"
It's a ridiculous analogy anyway. If gay marriage and slavery were equivalent, not only would no one be forced to [ikeep[/i a slave, no one would be forced to [ibe[/i a slave. Which means that it wouldn't be slavery. Idiot.
Quote ="Mintball"But the other examples I provided are hardly pleasant.'"
No, though hardly surprising either, given Limbaugh and the Saudi government's previous form.
I noticed that Rush's apology was incredibly heartfelt: "I'm sorry. Well, not actually sorry in the traditional sense, but I regret that I've lost advertising revenue."
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| This is a useful quote that I keep returning to recently, can't think why.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Gandhi
The hypocrisy of "Cardinal" O'Brien is breathtaking. Objecting to this while some of his staff have been abusing boys is just mindblowing and they, not gay marriage are the "thin end of the wedge" towards the "immorality" he believes is coming
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| Quote ="Chris28"This is a useful quote that I keep returning to recently, can't think why.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Gandhi
The hypocrisy of "Cardinal" O'Brien is breathtaking. '"
Personally, I'm a fan of his (and all religious people's) selective reading of his holy text. Yes, the bible says homosexuality is wrong, but it also says lots of other things that most Christians discount. It's funny how they don't discount the stuff that caters to their prejudices though.
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| Just voted for option 2 in the Telegraph poll. Thanks for giving me the chance to express my opmion.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"It's pathetic isn't it ?'"
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Quote ="Dally"Just voted for option 2 in the Telegraph poll. Thanks for giving me the chance to express my opmion.'"
And to think, you could have been attending such an event as father of the bride if you hadn't 'cured' your son of his disgusting perversions.
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| I went for option 3 which is that gay and lesbians should be treated just like heterosexual couples.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Speaking of which:
And to think, you could have been attending such an event as father of the bride if you hadn't 'cured' your son of his disgusting perversions.'"
Provoking Dally Jnr to thump his father made a man out of him, doncha know?
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| Quote ="Dally"Just voted for option 2 in the Telegraph poll. Thanks for giving me the chance to express my opmion.'"
What a surprise. One doy you might ( cough ! ) just join us in the 21st Century.
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There's a common thread - religious intolerance.
All religions preach intolerance, all religions deny that they preach intolerance, all religions seek to control their followers by means of intolerance in order to extract cash from them, if they had to register as a business in the normal way they'd have BBC's Watchdog down on them like a ton of bricks.
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There's a common thread - religious intolerance.
All religions preach intolerance, all religions deny that they preach intolerance, all religions seek to control their followers by means of intolerance in order to extract cash from them, if they had to register as a business in the normal way they'd have BBC's Watchdog down on them like a ton of bricks.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"There's a common thread - religious intolerance.
All religions preach intolerance, all religions deny that they preach intolerance, all religions seek to control their followers by means of intolerance in order to extract cash from them, if they had to register as a business in the normal way they'd have BBC's Watchdog down on them like a ton of bricks.'"
On of the things that strikes me is that people get understandably concerned/worried about Islamic fundamentalism, but there are plenty of others around who are little different.
I have little doubt that, were they to have such an opportunity, the Tea Party nutters like Limbaugh and many others would, for instance, act very little different to the Taliban or the Saudis.
You have to ask yourself, for instance, why contraception as a part of health insurance is even an issue in the US election campaign. Yet it is. Because Republicans – desperately trying to appeal to the religious fundamentalist part of the US electorate that is as organised electorally as it incapable of being swayed by facts – raised it. What does that attitude toward contraception tell you? Something similar to the message sent by Sarah Palin when she signed a local law ensuring that any woman alleging that she had been raped would have to pay for their own forensic tests, perhaps?
Here, we're seeing court cases about the 'conscience' of particular religious people who want to be discriminated in favour of by allowing them to be excused from (the latest specific case) even being near women going for an abortion. What happened in the days before all these court cases? Nobody had any consciousnesses – or the employers always automatically ensured that the slightest religious whim was catered to?
Everytime I hear from the Limbaughs of the world, I think of Margaret Atwood's [iThe Handmaid's Tale[/i.
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| I formed my opinion on religion 29 years ago when I got married, we went to see our local vicar who was just a young man, mild mannered, very pleasant, we had a nice long chat in his vicarage and booked the date of our wedding and he suggested that we might like to pop along to a Sunday service where he'd "read the bans" whatever the hell that means.
So we did, and the man we saw in the pulpit was a complete raving lunatic, thumping the desk top, shouting and bawling out the congregation, telling them they were all evil people who could only reach salvation if they followed him - absolute top drawer f'kin idiotic fundamentalist behaviour.
Unfortunately all the old people in his congregation (and they were all knocking on a bit) loved it, thought he was marvellous, and presumably took some masochistic delight in being yelled at every Sunday morning.
We still got married, I just think he was a complete fruitcake thats all.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"... So we did, and the man we saw in the pulpit was a complete raving lunatic, thumping the desk top, shouting and bawling out the congregation, telling them they were all evil people who could only reach salvation if they followed him - absolute top drawer f'kin idiotic fundamentalist behaviour...'"
Apart from your mention of "the bans", I half wondered then if you were describing my father.
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| Quote ="Dally"Just voted for option 2 in the Telegraph poll. Thanks for giving me the chance to express my opmion.'"
Why?
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| Quote ="Chris28"Why?'"
because (i suspect ) like me, answer 2 best fits the reply i would like to give to the question asked.
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| Quote ="Mintball"
You have to ask yourself, for instance, why contraception as a part of health insurance is even an issue in the US election campaign. Yet it is. Because Republicans – desperately trying to appeal to the religious fundamentalist part of the US electorate that is as organised electorally as it incapable of being swayed by facts – raised it. '"
I particularly liked Limbaugh's reference to sex as 'recreation', rather than as a basic human function. Presumably he thinks eating is merely 'leisure', and going for a poo is nothing more than 'relaxation'. Actually, that last one might be true.
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| Quote ="TheSurgeon"because (i suspect ) like me, answer 2 best fits the reply i would like to give to the question asked.'"
Possibly so, but all bigots have slightly different reasons for their bigotry. Some are religious maniacs, some were brought up by thick, intolerant parents, and some might be repressed homosexuals whose denial causes them to behave in this way. Which is it for you?
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| Quote ="TheSurgeon"because (i suspect ) like me, answer 2 best fits the reply i would like to give to the question asked.'"
No one likes a smart
Why does he (and for that matter you) hold that view?
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| To quote John Cleese in the life of Brian with regard to gay church weddings.
'What's the point'
What I mean is that in a church wedding it is said that it is a union between a man and a woman.
Civil partnerships are just as legal.
Is this not a case of fighting for something just for the hell of it?
Yes I agree that they are blinkered into what parts they want to read and take notice of but in the case of a church wedding the man/woman part is pretty high up on the list so why would someone in a same sex relationship want to be involved in a church wedding when they are at odds of a key part of that ceremony and it is at odds to their life/relationship.
BTW I am no bigot before anyone starts
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"To quote John Cleese in the life of Brian with regard to gay church weddings.
'What's the point'
What I mean is that in a church wedding it is said that it is a union between a man and a woman.
Civil partnerships are just as legal.
Is this not a case of fighting for something just for the hell of it?...'"
If there is no difference, then what is the point of anyone getting married at all?
And in terms of the religious element alone, I might not personally think that I'd want any religious component to any marriage, but there are plenty of LGBT people who are religious and would want to have a religious ceremony.
Incidentally, there are differences between the rights etc that marriage affords over civil partnership.
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| Quote ="Mintball"In which case, what is the point of anyone getting married at all?'" Dogma.
But that still doesn't answer my point, Some folks seem not to be happy unless they have something to fight against.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"To quote John Cleese in the life of Brian with regard to gay church weddings.
'What's the point'
What I mean is that in a church wedding it is said that it is a union between a man and a woman.
Civil partnerships are just as legal.
Is this not a case of fighting for something just for the hell of it?
Yes I agree that they are blinkered into what parts they want to read and take notice of but in the case of a church wedding the man/woman part is pretty high up on the list so why would someone in a same sex relationship want to be involved in a church wedding when they are at odds of a key part of that ceremony and it is at odds to their life/relationship.
BTW I am no bigot before anyone starts'"
A gay couple with strong religious views can't be married in the church of their choice.
Why they would want to be part of an organisation that so clearly doesn't want them there in the first place I don't know, but there are plenty of gay people with strong religious views and they are clearly disenfranchised and in some quarters outwardly despised for their dirty little habits.
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