This appears to be a shameless cover up. www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... sfeed=true As far as I know, this sort of thing is normally only done for security purposes, i.e. during the Iraq war, yet here it is being used to prevent a full and open debate about the NHS.

This appears to be a shameless cover up. www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... sfeed=true As far as I know, this sort of thing is normally only done for security purposes, i.e. during the Iraq war, yet here it is being used to prevent a full and open debate about the NHS.

Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"This appears to be a shameless cover up. www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... sfeed=true As far as I know, this sort of thing is normally only done for security purposes, i.e. during the Iraq war, yet here it is being used to prevent a full and open debate about the NHS.'" PMQ's should be worth a listen then.

Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"This appears to be a shameless cover up. www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... sfeed=true As far as I know, this sort of thing is normally only done for security purposes, i.e. during the Iraq war, yet here it is being used to prevent a full and open debate about the NHS.'" PMQ's should be worth a listen then.

Lying, profiteering, opportunistic cowards.

Not today it won't.

Aye, Betty and Black Rod rapping on the door three times get prescedent today. Pomp and Pageantry . Don't ya just love it?

I wonder if this will have blown over before the next PMQs

It's a fair bet that Dumb & Dumber will have orchestrated yet another bollock to drop before next Wednesday

From @DickGraceless on Twitter: "Today The Queen will perform her only official function: tell the government to do what the government told her to tell them to do. WTF?"

Ah yes, but...

"The Queen traditionally reads her speech to Parliament on goatskin vellum. Once inscribed, it takes at least three days for the ink to dry."

Surely you can't crib at that?!

A good day for the news to come out then...

OH I don't know. From the Guardian blog of the Queens Speech debate from Ed Milliband:

"And yesterday David Cameron said that he preferred to think of austerity measures as efficiency measures. So, that's the message to people who have lost their job, Miliband says: You may be out of work, but you are part of our efficiency drive.

Miliband says it all. In two years, the prime minister has gone from David Cameron to David Brent."

Made me laugh. If you read the rest of it he is having quite a good time at the PM's expense it seems.

Did I imagine it or didn't DAve and Gideon say that the private sector would snap up all those who lost their jobs in the public sector?

"Unemployment is a price worth paying."

when you pursue a policy of strangling both supply by slashing public spending and demand by increasing taxation (unless your a millionaire) its hardly surprising that the economy enters recession. Has Gideon got a single qualification in economics because he does not appear to be following any recognisable policy from either side of the political divide at present aside from cut slash and burn.

Well yes and it is supposed to be the result of their entire game plan which is simply this: Cut services and public spending, cut taxes for the rich, reduce regulation (health and safety, sack people more easily), and corporation tax and then some miracle happens and millions of jobs get created. This is plan A and there is no plan B

The Queens Speech which has numerous bills in it will surely be seen as a total irrelevance because it lacks anything to deal with the countries economic problems other than stick to plan A.

I think Batman and Robin were bandying about the 500,000 figure in the private sector job creation stakes. Pair of t0ssers couldn't run a bath. As for that fooking slimeball Clegg, he's even guiltier by association. Pr!ck!

The philosophy is simple: destroy the state and any collateral damage is insignificant and unimportant.

They recognise they'll be a one-term government and don't really care as long as they've carried out that plan.

Working on the assumption that things don't improve by a huge margin over the next two/three years and on the assumption that there are more public service cuts to come, AND that the NHS is going to be crippled (hence the burying of the report today), then I'm having a hard time recalling a government who will have left under such shambolic clueless circumstances.

Ted Heath after the miners did for him springs to mind, as does Jim Callaghan, but they at least could point to very aggressive unions in the 1970s, this lot are big pussys compared to them.

Its getting more and more obvious that Cameron is just a puppet, a pretty-poster-boy who could get the evil henchmen who pull the strings into a position of pocket-lining power, I don't think he's got a single policy of his own inside his pretty head.

They ain't even got started yet.

[url=http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2012/03/tories-plan-to-wipe-out-state-services/Francis Maude: "the aim was to end once and for all the idea of any provision of public services by the state"[/url

Full speech [url=http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/events/past-events/item/francis-maude-ten-years-of-modernisation-looking-back-and-the-challenges-ahead?category_id=37HERE[/url

Whoops !
He's admitted what I have been convinced about since the election.
It's not about the deficit at all, it's all about the ideology of rolling-back the state until the last shred of the welfare state is history.
Ted tried and made a pigs ear of it, Maggie took it on and rolled it forward regardless of vast and cruel human cost.
Dave sees it as his destiny to head towards that glorious golden day when there will be the obscenely rich 4% and the biddable and servile other 96% doing as they are told.

And Clegg is letting him do it.

I'm on holiday and said I wouldn't post but I feel I have speak up at this point.
I am staying in a haven site and every single van on this site seems to be made in Hull (ABI, Willerby, Swift and Atlas) all of which last time I checked are private companies and all told that they are going to get 20% tax stuck on their good so much for creating jobs in the private sector.
BTW this isn't a dig at El B.

No prob.
You make a valid point ... increasing VAT is wrong all ways round.
It depresses the economy, it's a regressive tax and (as you point out) it hits the manufacturing sector hard.

Clegg is an odious little sh¡t whose only hope of getting another sniff of power will be to join the unpleasant group of bags whose government his soon to be dead party is propping up.

And I have just seen the news that the twerps at parliament in charge are going to focus on getting the economy going.
They clearly think adding VAT to anything that isn't already nailed down is the way to do this.
Idiots, Mislead, Out of touch or illiterate with regard to how an economy works you decide.

I did try to convince posters well prior to the GE that he was a conservative in all but name. He's certainly reaffirmed that well held belief. What's happened to Doctor Vince? He's disappeared over the politcal horizon. He could do serious damage to this government if he ever grew a backbone. I can't believe he shares the same ideological beliefs as other cabinet members.