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| Quote ="Grendel"What the effing HELL have our "management" done now?
It's been a hell of a year trying to stay behind our team and now the heart is being ripped out of it because of management balls ups.
I had already decided I supported the TEAM not the CLUB as a result of the breaking of promises regarding playing in Bridgend and now half of our first team players and MOST of our longest served players are being kicked out of the country.
This is an effing JOKE!
It's hard enough getting the anti-expansion flat-cappers to take us seriously as it is!
They must be expressing their glee through the medium of one handed typing (if you know what I mean) as we speak!
I'm not sure I can be bothered with this any more.'"
stick in there pal, so long as starbug and mr bond dont get you, youll survive, and your fans are always welcome in wakefield
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| Quote ="Grendel"What the effing HELL have our "management" done now?
It's been a hell of a year trying to stay behind our team and now the heart is being ripped out of it because of management balls ups.
I had already decided I supported the TEAM not the CLUB as a result of the breaking of promises regarding playing in Bridgend and now half of our first team players and MOST of our longest served players are being kicked out of the country.
This is an effing JOKE!
It's hard enough getting the anti-expansion flat-cappers to take us seriously as it is!
They must be expressing their glee through the medium of one handed typing (if you know what I mean) as we speak.
I'm not sure I can be bothered with this any more.'"
Keep the faith!
As fan of Keighley Cougars I can safely say we've been through more than our fair share of disasters in the last 15 years. We won the old 2nd Division (and the premiership final) but were refused a place in Super League to allow London Broncos in.
On the back of that we lost our major sponsor, some international players and in 2001, went briefly out of existance.
All I can say is that it will get better and all true Rugby League fans will have sympathy for your team's plight.
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| Quote ="Grendel"I'm not sure I can be bothered with this any more.'"
Your management may have nothing to do with it. The Borders Agency are still looking at that. This may all be down to your (former) players just passing along wrong information when filling in their visa forms. Wait and see whether the club is found responsible for anything before giving up. Next season will be better. All the hiccups will have stopped and things will be placed on a more secure, organised, professional footing, with new recruits chosen in a more relaxed way than this time last year when the new visa changes made life chaos.
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| But let's see what is likely to happen next.
You don't need to be Mystic Meg (or someone who can actually see into the future) to see what's coming.
The RFL will be forced to dock us our few meagre points. Though there is no relegation, they will have to kick us out of SL next year or be damned for gross hypocrisy.
We will be dropped down to the lower leagues. It is unlikely our academy and reserves team will survive the drop, given the nervousness of our benefactor.
Brewery Field limited have been shafted by the Crusaders moving games away from there and will be in no mood to welcome them back when the Newport deal falls through (because Dave Parade will not want to have a lower leagues team playing there) so we will be a team without a ground.
Rest In Peace Crusaders. For a while there it was fun.
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| Grendel, for the RFL to do anything, the club have to be guilty of something. As yet, they are guilty of nothing.
It's a shame you are moving from Bridgend. That is unnecessary and stupid RFL pressure that was not placed upon other newly formed teams. Sadly, that's what the amateurish incompetent RFL is like, and it doesn't learn its lessons. You should have remained at Bridgend and built on what you have done so far. Alas. If only the RFL had people with some sense in their heads.
How ever bad it looks right now, it probably isn't. Lots of us Up North and in those foreign places ( ) are keeping everything crossed that the Borders Agency finds nothing with its grubby little mits and the club can progress from here. (Well, from next season anyway!)
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| Quote ="SaintsFan":1aw5git3Your management may have nothing to do with it. The Borders Agency are still looking at that. :1aw5git3This may all be down to your (former) players just passing along wrong information when filling in their visa forms:1aw5git3. Wait and see whether the club is found responsible for anything before giving up. Next season will be better. All the hiccups will have stopped and things will be placed on a more secure, organised, professional footing, with new recruits chosen in a more relaxed way than this time last year when the new visa changes made life chaos.'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"Dont talk crap , are you seriously telling me the Club and most likely the RFL did not assist in the VISA applications of those players considering that they were at first refused '"
Nah honeybunch, it's you who is talking crap. As per usual. And you really are making a first class dooby out of yourself, you realise that?
Individual players are responsible for their own visa applications. All employees are. Go check the 'how to apply for a visa' section and find out for yourself.
The club is responsible for its side of things, but not completing the visa application on behalf of the player. Players do their own forms.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Like saying they had been playing in the NRL for the last 2 seasons when in fact they had been ' on holiday ' in Bridgend since 2006 ?
Dont talk crap , are you seriously telling me the Club and most likely the RFL did not assist in the VISA applications of those players considering that they were at first refused
Or were they just following orders [ now where have we heard that before '"
an hour ago it was bond movies now it nurenburg!
how on earth do you think the rl got involved they were not the employer ffs, so anything they said would be discounted. you see..oh god if your coming to work for mcdonalds immigration will not take a reference from burger king.............i tried to dumb it down a bit, hope this helps
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| Quote :1wc1y79cQuote ="SaintsFan":1wc1y79cNah honeybunch, it's you who is talking crap. As per usual. And you really are making a first class dooby out of yourself, you realise that?
Individual players are responsible for their own visa applications. All employees are. Go check the 'how to apply for a visa' section and find out for yourself.
The club is responsible for its side of things, but not completing the visa application on behalf of the player. :1wc1y79cPlayers do their own forms.[/:1wc1y79cquote'" :1wc1y79c'" fills the form in and this season the RFL have also been involved on many occaisions with many clubs
So if the Celtic club have said to the players " Here boys can you fill these in " it shows exactly why they are in this mess
I will refrain from using patronising names in my posts as it shows a lack of respect to the person you are ' talking ' to
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| Quote ="Grendel"But let's see what is likely to happen next.
You don't need to be Mystic Meg (or someone who can actually see into the future) to see what's coming.
The RFL will be forced to dock us our few meagre points. Though there is no relegation, they will have to kick us out of SL next year or be damned for gross hypocrisy.
We will be dropped down to the lower leagues. It is unlikely our academy and reserves team will survive the drop, given the nervousness of our benefactor.
Brewery Field limited have been shafted by the Crusaders moving games away from there and will be in no mood to welcome them back when the Newport deal falls through (because Dave Parade will not want to have a lower leagues team playing there) so we will be a team without a ground.
Rest In Peace Crusaders. For a while there it was fun.'"
Welcome to our world pal.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Quote
Have you ever been involved with bringing a professional RL player into this country ?
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oh dear your struggling arnt you??
ok i presume you understand the mcdonalds analogy from earlier on?
lets say a burger frier is need in lets say, oh i dont know newporrt, and ones available, in lets say america, you there so far?
now the suitablity gor employment and appropriate refences forms are going to be signed in.........???
a......newport
b......america
now what your implying is the council for british fast foods will have had an input......but you see they wont....because they are niether the employer on r the one prividing the references
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They may well sign the forms but normally a club official [ Solicitor fills the form in '" '"
Who pays for their flight?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Quote ="Starbug"
Who pays for their flight?'" '"
...and welcome!
its fun here, but a bit like shooting fish in a barrel!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Nah honeybunch, it's you who is talking crap. As per usual. And you really are making a first class dooby out of yourself, you realise that?
Individual players are responsible for their own visa applications. All employees are. Go check the 'how to apply for a visa' section and find out for yourself.
The club is responsible for its side of things, but not completing the visa application on behalf of the player. Players do their own forms.'"
So are you trying to say that 6 players have all - independently - made the same mistake on their visa applications? And then no one has noticed that the said 6 forms all have errors? Stay off the drugs pal - they addle the brain!!
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| Quote ="chapster"Quote ="Starbug"
oh dear your struggling arnt you??
ok i presume you understand the mcdonalds analogy from earlier on?
lets say a burger frier is need in lets say, oh i dont know newporrt, and ones available, in lets say america, you there so far?
now the suitablity gor employment and appropriate refences forms are going to be signed in.........???
a......newport
b......america
now what your implying is the council for british fast foods will have had an input......but you see they wont....because they are niether the employer on r the one prividing the references'" '"
Do the Council for British fast food have a salary cap on take-aways expenditure on wages? Is there such a thing as an ineligible waiter?
The RFL were supposed to be vetting the Crusaders salary cap and yet the players seem to have been paid for non-existent jobs at Samuel's company and gave their services to Crusaders for free.
If the RFL were aware that this was the case then they are complicit and if they weren't then their policing of the salary cap is a joke.
Not to mention that they are supposed to make sure that players are eligible to play for the club that they represent.
At the very least, they look extremely incompetant.
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| Quote Quote ="chapster"Quote ="Starbug"
oh dear your struggling arnt you??
ok i presume you understand the mcdonalds analogy from earlier on?
lets say a burger frier is need in lets say, oh i dont know newporrt, and ones available, in lets say america, you there so far?
now the suitablity gor employment and appropriate refences forms are going to be signed in.........???
a......newport
b......america
now what your implying is the council for british fast foods will have had an input......but you see they wont....because they are niether the employer on r the one prividing the references'" '" '"
I take it this answer means you have never been involved in bringing a Proffessional RL player to a club in this country
Read my profile
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"At the very least, they look extremely incompetant.'"
But guess what? That's totally different to knowingly employing illegal immigrants!
And the salary cap has nothing whatsoever to do with the Borders Agency.
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| Quote ="Grendel"But let's see what is likely to happen next.
You don't need to be Mystic Meg (or someone who can actually see into the future) to see what's coming.
[uThe RFL will be forced to dock us our few meagre points. Though there is no relegation, they will have to kick us out of SL next year or be damned for gross hypocrisy.[/u
We will be dropped down to the lower leagues. It is unlikely our academy and reserves team will survive the drop, given the nervousness of our benefactor.
Brewery Field limited have been shafted by the Crusaders moving games away from there and will be in no mood to welcome them back when the Newport deal falls through (because Dave Parade will not want to have a lower leagues team playing there) so we will be a team without a ground.
Rest In Peace Crusaders. For a while there it was fun.'"
I don't think this will happen but it would be a blessing on Crusaders if it did happen.
This season was bad enough but imagine the next season with half the first team gone and possibly no replacements from down under.
I can't see this endeering them to the Newport public.
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| Quote ="mishmash"So are you trying to say that 6 players have all - independently - made the same mistake on their visa applications? And then no one has noticed that the said 6 forms all have errors? Stay off the drugs pal - they addle the brain!!
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No. They could have all lied, stoopid.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"Quote ="chapster"
Do the Council for British fast food have a salary cap on take-aways expenditure on wages? Is there such a thing as an ineligible waiter?
The RFL were supposed to be vetting the Crusaders salary cap and yet the players seem to have been paid for non-existent jobs at Samuel's company and gave their services to Crusaders for free.
If the RFL were aware that this was the case then they are complicit and if they weren't then their policing of the salary cap is a joke.
Not to mention that they are supposed to make sure that players are eligible to play for the club that they represent.
and your point is they have been deported for working some additional hours somewhere?? the salary cap... to quote the parrot sketch ..dont enter into it!
but im loving this thred now they are being deported for not playing rugby!!!!
pm starbuck he thinks its espionage, i mean get bruce willis on board and die hard 5 will be the greatest rl movie ever
please dont add things to my quotes and change the references...ok?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"No. They could have all lied, stoopid.'"
......And you could be totally wrong stoopid!!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"But guess what? That's totally different to knowingly employing illegal immigrants!'"
It's not.
The RFL don't employ Crusaders players but they are supposed to check that sums paid to players actually have been paid and there is no funny business with money being paid "under the table".
If Dekor were paying the players rather than Crusaders then this makes a mockery of the salary cap.
Why can't JJB pay Wigan players and then Warriors can sign who they want and pay them what they want?
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On the contrary, it seems that players were being paid by somebody other than their club.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"But guess what? That's totally different to knowingly employing illegal immigrants!
And the salary cap has nothing whatsoever to do with the Borders Agency.'"
Given that Francis Meli had a few problems getting back into this country earlier this year are you suggesting that Eamon did not get his lawyer to assist mr Meli in sorting out the problem and that he did not at any time speak to the RFL on the subject ?
" Sorry Francis , you're on your own son "
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