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| Quote ="jannerboyuk"wow the rlfans example of 'proof'. samuels was approached by people involved in welsh rugby league.'"
I'd say so it's near enough, not having a go, but makes sense that RFL would go to him and say 'how about setting up RL side over the old Union set up, put the money in and your in SL!'
Makes sense to me!
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| Quote ="J20"I'd say so it's near enough, not having a go, but makes sense that RFL would go to him and say 'how about setting up RL side over the old Union set up, put the money in and your in SL!'
Makes sense to me!'"
thing is it wouldnt bother me if they did do that. the rfl should be pro-actively looking for people to get involved, from the grassroots to potential owners. i was being more specific in saying that he was not approached by the rfl but by two people involved in setting up the welsh conference, one is the current chair of thr wrl afaik.
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| Quote ="jannerboyuk"wow the rlfans example of 'proof'. samuels was approached by people involved in welsh rugby league.'"
And where is your "proof" of that then?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Quote ="J20"As a Cru fan where i'd be worried is Celtic are clearly being run at a loss (it's understandable as a new club trying to build up a fan base and get a youth system unning etc, so you'd expect Samuel to be making more money to keep them running!
Feel for Cru under Samuel - the guy is a complete slime, he threatned to leave if no SL franchise and also doesn't seem to have give them the backing to get a real boost in the region, marketig marque signing etc.
I can't believe the RFL wanted a guy like this involved in the Sport (threatening to walk) and he seems in for his own profit alone, selling ground etc![/quote
I havent commented on this up to now but the part I find interesting is at the beginning of the press release " I was approached " , by who I would like to know ?'" '"
He was approached by Chris O'Callaghan of Aberavon Fighting Irish and Mike Nicholas, the President of the Welsh Rugby League.
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| Quote ="Cardiff Cymru"Quote ="Starbug"
He was approached by Chris O'Callaghan of Aberavon Fighting Irish and Mike Nicholas, the President of the Welsh Rugby League.'" '"
Fair do's then , that clears that up
You know what us conspiracy theorists are like
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| Quote ="jannerboyuk"thing is it wouldnt bother me if they did do that. the rfl should be pro-actively looking for people to get involved, from the grassroots to potential owners. i was being more specific in saying that he was not approached by the rfl but by two people involved in setting up the welsh conference, one is the current chair of thr wrl afaik.'"
It would bother me if it was true.
It makes a mockery of the whole franchising system.
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| Quote ="jannerboyuk"thing is it wouldnt bother me if they did do that. the rfl should be pro-actively looking for people to get involved, from the grassroots to potential owners. i was being more specific in saying that he was not approached by the rfl but by two people involved in setting up the welsh conference, one is the current chair of thr wrl afaik.'"
My main issue always ahs been that Celitc should of been brought in like the Catalans where, then we'd be saved all the RL Bull $hi^! Making league fans look like idiots, also it would of give Cru a better chance to be preapred for SL!
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| Quote ="J20"My main issue always ahs been that Celitc should of been brought in like the Catalans where, then we'd be saved all the RL Bull $hi^! Making league fans look like idiots, also it would of give Cru a better chance to be preapred for SL!'"
well i happen to think the rfl are trying to create a structure for the future whether its the best structure is always up for argument. Personally i have no real problem with their sincerity although i agree somethings might have been done better. I certainly think a years notice wouldnt have been a bad idea. i.e licenses announced for 2010 rather then 2009, making preparations and recruitment easier. A whole year of 'superleague is coming' I would have been happy to have spent another year in the championship, great clubs abd great fans.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"It would bother me if it was true.
It makes a mockery of the whole franchising system.'"
well when i said approach i meant in terms of saying look we are going to have a new system and its likely the comp will expand and if you reach a minimum standard you would have a good chance but no gurantees rather then saying you are definitely in. Giving potential new investors decent notice of these things is common sense in my view.
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"And where is your "proof" of that then?'"
it just happens to be true. my mocking of the rlfans concept of 'proof' i.e. a vague statement chucked in a press release didnt mean i had a signed affadavit in mike nicholas' blood.
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| just like to say im from hull and i dont want to see u go i reckon in a couple of years you will be as good if not better then teams like cas and salford and it was on the KR thread so its proberly balls anyway
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| Quote ="F.c Jester"just like to say im from hull and i dont want to see u go i reckon in a couple of years you will be as good if not better then teams like cas and salford and it was on the KR thread so its proberly balls anyway'"
Most of the fans who post on this subject want you to stay because if you get booted out they could very well find themselves in the same position as you "Bottom of the league".
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"I would not worry too much about what Hull KR fans say. They are the biggest team in SL and have the arrogance to go with it, This can be seen by their recent success, trophies , quality of ground, friendly fans and also by the fact that they are so confident they can PICK on a club who have been in SL for one year.
Ignore them they are usually not worth bothering with.
As for the flat cappers of Leigh, widnes and Halifax do not worry too much about them.
Most proper RL fans wish you well and i will be bringing a car load of fans down your way in September and will do everything we can to support you.'" Spouting your usual gobs**te I see.
I for 1 dont want Celtic to go bust.
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| Quote ="Cassandra"Most of the fans who post on this subject want you to stay because if you get booted out they could very well find themselves in the same position as you "Bottom of the league".'"
What a load of rubbish.
There are loads of fans from all the clubs who want to see the Crusaders succeed because they love rugby league.
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Disgusting, where was the help for Donny, Rochdale, Widnes, Swinton, Halifax????
Oh no Cru & Quins that's ok!
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Disgusting, where was the help for Donny, Rochdale, Widnes, Swinton, Halifax????
Oh no Cru & Quins that's ok!
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| Quote ="Traffic"It would seem that the original poster on the HUll thread has nothing to back up the facts with only someone who can speak Weslh apparently (and that's obviously a prime source!!)'"
a load of poo why are the RFL sending a task force to help you guys out. they will give you some money to bale you out but where is Doncasters Help. don,t know why you are based in wales most of your squad is not welsh anyway.
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| y dont u pi s s off from this forum and get a grip
Only coz u didnt get a franchise
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| Quote ="crusadertillidie"y dont u pi s s off from this forum and get a grip
Only coz u didnt get a franchise'"
Prick why shud you get help?If rfl was fair all teams would have promotion and relegation.I talked to many footy fans and think it a big joke.All teams should get a chance even batley,swinton etc.To stop bitterness bring back relegation and no help to any team.
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| Quote ="Soldierboy"Prick why shud you get help?If rfl was fair all teams would have promotion and relegation.I talked to many footy fans and think it a big joke.All teams should get a chance even batley,swinton etc.To stop bitterness bring back relegation and no help to any team.'"
Despite so many clubs yo-yoing over years becuas ethey can't take the step up in the first year?
I'm all for a three year breathing space, look at Catalan. Cup final second year, 3rd placed 3rd year.
If Crusaders do the same, your argument is null and void.
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Read the FULL statement here especially the last sentence of the quote - "This is an ongoing process which is not exclusive to Celtic Crusaders.”
I'm sure the RFL look after all the teams who need help but there is only so much that can be done at times.
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Read the FULL statement here especially the last sentence of the quote - "This is an ongoing process which is not exclusive to Celtic Crusaders.”
I'm sure the RFL look after all the teams who need help but there is only so much that can be done at times.
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| People seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill here and some even seem to be willing Celtic to fail which is awful.
I don't see what the issue is with the RFL providing support for any club who needs it in order to help them become more sustainable. The obvious problem that will be faced by Celtic Crusaders is they aren't yet a big name which is going to hamper efforts to find a sponsor (don't forget even Wigan struggled this season to find a sponsor which says a lot about how hard it must be at the moment) so good on the RFL for giving them support to try to do this.
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Jeez, certainly wasn't expecting that.
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Jeez, certainly wasn't expecting that.
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Read the FULL statement here especially the last sentence of the quote - "This is an ongoing process which is not exclusive to Celtic Crusaders.”
I'm sure the RFL look after all the teams who need help but there is only so much that can be done at times.'"
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| "Crusaders chairman Leighton Samuel told BBC Sport: "We must go forward with a viable facility and the stadium at the Brewery Field was not ideal at the time of the initial bid, it didn't meet certain criteria and we have to meet that criteria this time.
"Rodney Parade certainly meets that criteria, especially in terms of capacity.
"It is an option. They do want us there and we would love to play out of there as it is a nice facility and is to be redeveloped."
And the RFL's assessment of Celtic after the licenses were announced....
CELTIC CRUSADERS
Whilst well maintained, the ground is limited and old fashioned but there is a commitment to immediately enhance the current facilities.
In the medium term the club recognises the need to develop a new facility and appears to be working with the local public agencies to deliver this. As with any new venture, financial projections are more subjective but the club has demonstrated financial stability during its progress through the National Leagues. The club has built good relationships with commercial partners and TV channel S4C offers exciting opportunities. There is supportive independent market research for Super League in South Wales, although inevitably this can only be fully tested by the club’s actual participation in the competition. The playing infrastructure is very good in places but the club is understandably at the early stages with its scholarship and academy teams.
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