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| Quote ="Bullseye"What a er for Cru fans and players. Huge sympathy for you guys. Obviously the management down there wasn't up to it. What now for the rest of the season?'"
It would be no surprise to see Harris walk and alot of players to follow him.
Could be Scorpions/Cougars in disguise that turn up at Wakefield on Sunday.
Hopefully it will not come to that and the players give it their all for the fans who have backed them 100% all season but it will take a heckof a lot for them to do that after only hearing the news on TV at the same time as everyone else.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"So sorry for you guys. I was really shocked when I heard and would never have wanted the Cru out of Superleague. Damn shame.'"
It is very rare that SaintsFan and I agree, however this is one of those occasions. Crusaders has been one of our favourite away trips. Even our defeat at Bridgend in 2009 was a superb day and night out, the sing song in the clubhouse after the game was brilliant.
Sincere good wishes for the future, and you'll always be made welcome at Wigan.
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| Quote ="boost"Keiths not even had his picture taken in a Crusaders shirt, so nothing to sell on e bay.
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| Good luck in the future, hopefully you can strongly build the orthodox way now, truly bring RL to Wales, and hope to see a few of you Sunday to continue the Keith Duffy banter.
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| THis came as a massive shock, I genuinely haven't seen or heard a single rumour of this anywhere before the announcement. Nobody saying I told you so.
I feel for the fans and the players. The players I suppose are in the same situation as a lot of people lately whose employers have gone belly up, which is not pleasant. Sad for the fans too.
It will now be interesting to see whether the club survive in some form next year, but a lot of people better placed than me seem to regard it as unlikely. I would have liked to see the Welsh experiment work. Pity.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"What an insensitive and utterly obnoxious post.
I'm thoroughly sorry that this has happened to the Cru, whose loyal band of supporters were great to mix with, creating a fabulous atmosphere at Wrexham. Incompetent management is what has cost the club and how people from Wakefield can even begin to gloat, when they were in just the same position, beggars belief.'"
Not insensitive at all, if you got that from my post, you have misinterpreted it.
I think the crusaders board have brought sone dignity to the process, something the RFL never could.
Hopefully under their own steam, they will go onto develop their club, it's just a shame that it took the board to do the job the RFL should have.
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| The sentiment of trying to build a Rugby League team in Wales is a good one. But the RFL pushed you guys into Super League far too quickly. You would have benefited from 3 years in the Championship in 2008 and might have been in a better position financially and with a better fan base, and may have been successful this time around, had they done this. Now Rugby League is left with egg on their face and a lot of disgruntled fans and players. Good luck for the future
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| The RFL is to blame for this one. Fast tracking doesn't work.
I wonder who would have gone if Celtic HADN'T withdrawn from the bidding process though?
Good luck in the future to the club & its fans.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Not insensitive at all, if you got that from my post, you have misinterpreted it.
I think the crusaders board have brought sone dignity to the process, something the RFL never could.
Hopefully under their own steam, they will go onto develop their club, it's just a shame that it took the board to do the job the RFL should have.'"
The decision was purely financal, the Crusaders board don't do dignity!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Not insensitive at all, if you got that from my post, you have misinterpreted it.
=#0040FFI think the crusaders board have brought sone dignity to the process, something the RFL never could.
Hopefully under their own steam, they will go onto develop their club, it's just a shame that it took the board to do the job the RFL should have.'"
This would be the same board who, just a few short months ago, made an application complete with a business plan that was allegedly good enough for another three years in SL? That board? The same who only withdrew their application at the last minute after talks with the RFL?
Methinks somebody called their bluff.
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| Quote ="casfanforlife"The sentiment of trying to build a Rugby League team in Wales is a good one. But the RFL pushed you guys into Super League far too quickly.'"
It wasn't the speed of entering SL that was the problem. It was the inability to see what a cowboy the first owner was, and seemingly the second set are little better.
Incompetent management at the top level did for Crusaders, not their entry into SL.
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| Quote ="Kosh"It wasn't the speed of entering SL that was the problem. It was the inability to see what a cowboy the first owner was, and seemingly the second set are little better.
Incompetent management at the top level did for Crusaders, not their entry into SL.'" Yeah, had the administration been competent in the first place there was no reason it couldn't have been a success. Equally, had the Wrexham administrators been competent then there was no reason that it couldn't have been a success in the North. Playing for three more years in the Championship wouldn't have changed anything, it's nothing to do with speed of entry and everything to do with diabolical administration, the club have been extremely unlucky in that the owners in both the North and the South have been crooks. Quote ="kinleycat"Not insensitive at all, if you got that from my post, you have misinterpreted it.
I think the crusaders board have brought sone dignity to the process, something the RFL never could.
Hopefully under their own steam, they will go onto develop their club, it's just a shame that it took the board to do the job the RFL should have.'" You are a buffoon.
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| Keith Senior should honour his contract. If Robbie (hunter) Paul can play in the championship, he bl00dy well can !!!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Not insensitive at all, if you got that from my post, you have misinterpreted it.
I think the crusaders board have brought sone dignity to the process, something the RFL never could.
Hopefully under their own steam, they will go onto develop their club, it's just a shame that it took the board to do the job the RFL should have.'"
Stop being so patronising.
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| Quote ="Bradleigh"Keith Senior should honour his contract. If Robbie (hunter) Paul can play in the championship, he bl00dy well can !!!'"
Keith Senior made a comment in the press that he thought it demeaning to play in the Championship! Ha. I hope no-one employs him. Obnoxious bloke.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Keith Senior made a comment in the press that he thought it demeaning to play in the Championship! Ha. I hope no-one employs him. Obnoxious bloke.'"
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| Is everyone sure that Crusaders are even going to be around to play in the Co-Op Championship next year. The RFL wording of earlier seemed to suggest it wasnt exactly a given, and I'm sure that administration has been mentioned again.
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| Gutted for both fans & players as I would have been if Wakey had got the chop.
I know how I felt when Widnes were excluded last time, but I didn't blame another club, the decision was made by the jokers at the RFL.
There are a lot on here blaming the board both old & new which has most likely contributed to Cru's downfall but they are not soley to blame.
The RFL fast tracked them yes, to soon? Probably but the warning about their ground etc meant they had to move & lose the fan base they had.
We all know if you don't get them through the turnstiles you will never have the money needed to compete.
It's all ifs & buts but imo they may have been better staying in south Wales with the fanbase they had & building on that maybe moving to a football or rugby union ground down there.
If they hadn't made the grade for a sl licence then at least they would be able to field a team in the lower leagues, which at present looks uncertain to say the least.
I know this is all in hindsight & to be honest I don't know all the facts. But from what I think I know the RFL have to take the majority of the blame for this situation as they didn't stand up to Sky & tell them it was to soon for Cru to enter sl.
I wait to be corrected!
I wish Cru & its fans the best of luck & perhaps in 3 to 6 years you can reapply, not sure you will be playing in Wrexham though, word is the ground will be sold to the Uni.
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| first Wrecsam fc are in trouble now the crusaders. someone must be bad in managing a business
the rfl must take a long hard look at expansion into areas that the game is lacking
the crowds were poor but a good noisy crowd feel sorry for all crusader supporters
keep the faith for the future
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| Quote ="johnny freeman fan club"Totally duff call , expantionist policy right out the window seeing as Tolouse is going back into the French league . I am not happy about Crusaders coming back into the Championship either, we lose Widnes (and good luck to them) but they bring a good crowd to us. Then we get landed with the Welsh team again that brings noone but yet it costs us a fortune to go down there.'"
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| Quote ="wackerchemic"There are a lot on here blaming the board both old & new which has most likely contributed to Cru's downfall but they are not soley to blame.
The RFL fast tracked them yes, to soon? Probably but the warning about their ground etc meant they had to move & lose the fan base they had.
We all know if you don't get them through the turnstiles you will never have the money needed to compete.
It's all ifs & buts but imo they may have been better staying in south Wales with the fanbase they had & building on that maybe moving to a football or rugby union ground down there.
If they hadn't made the grade for a sl licence then at least they would be able to field a team in the lower leagues, which at present looks uncertain to say the least.'" Yes, the board are solely to blame. Staying in the South was not an option, the club needs owners and the only buyers were in the North. Moss and Roberts saved the club, but then turned out to be just as bad as the previous owners.
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| Did you ever think that Moss and Roberts might have been sold a pup by the rfl? The three wise monkeys at the rfl seem to be good at painting the big picture, but very poor at the implementation or clear and effective direction. I'm sure they will delight in the blame being pointed at Moss and Roberts as it takes the focus off thier own shortcomings. From my reading of events I would say all Moss and Roberts are guilty of is niavity, which for businessmen is in itself very poor. I hope you keep the club going in some form, but from the outside I have to say it looks bleak.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Yeah, had the administration been competent in the first place there was no reason it couldn't have been a success. Equally, had the Wrexham administrators been competent then there was no reason that it couldn't have been a success in the North. Playing for three more years in the Championship wouldn't have changed anything, it's nothing to do with speed of entry and everything to do with diabolical administration, the club have been extremely unlucky in that the owners in both the North and the South have been crooks.You are a buffoon.'"
The fact that Crusaders ended up being run by poor administrators isn't entirely unrelated to them being "fast tracked" into SL when they clearly weren't ready.
Playing in NL1 / CC for another three years may not have got the club up to SL standards but at least the club would probably be lining up for another season in 2012 at Bridgend (which they are unlikely to be doing in any form now). I know the argument that Samuels would have walked away but he did anyway and the main reason why a Bridgend based consortium couldn't rescue the club was the SL debts.
I feel sorry for the fans but to say that some of them were hopelessly naive is putting it mildly. The usual idiots made Cru's admission to SL into a "expansionists vs evil inbred flatcappers" and too many Cru fans bought into this stupidity.
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| How easy would it be to build a new club to a level where it met all criteria without the additional exposure that being in Super League vs being in the Championship brings?
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| Quote ="El Diablo"How easy would it be to build a new club to a level where it met all criteria without the additional exposure that being in Super League vs being in the Championship brings?'"
Who knows but at least they would have had a Championship side.
Now there is nothing.
Scorpions might still be around but they've got to cope with the aftermath of the Crusaders and the negativity that they have generated.
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