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| Quote ="jannerboyuk"Well if we had 92 professional clubs above the celtic crusaders maybe we could afford to be picky.
12-14 clubs from parts of the M62 are not the basis of a successful sport or even survival as a professional sport. Thats reality and to turn that round takes patience, hard work and calculated risks. HEY LETS BRING BACK ONE BIG DIVISION OF 32 CLUBS! LETS BRING BACK UNLIMITED TACKLES! LETS BRING BACK LINE OUTS AND 15 PLAYERS! Exactly how far do you want go to back or is your unthinking nolstagia selective?'"
Agree
Agree again
But you can change the calculated risks to something akin to match fixing
If the RFL had had the balls to just state what they were doing and why then fine , but they dont
Instead we have this charade combined with blatant ignoring of the rules to get to this brave new world of a ' national ' sport
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| Quote ="Starbug"Agree
Agree again
But you can change the calculated risks to something akin to match fixing
If the RFL had had the balls to just state what they were doing and why then fine , but they dont
Instead we have this charade combined with blatant ignoring of the rules to get to this brave new world of a ' national ' sport'"
you still at this?
dear god......
take it leigh lost again at the weekend?.......tiresome thred now led by a tiresome berk.
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| Quote ="chapster"you still at this?
dear god......
take it leigh lost again at the weekend?.......tiresome thred now led by a tiresome berk.'"
What's a thred ? , is it like a villiage ?
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| Quote ="Rotherham Fev Fan"As I suspected, your age shows one amazing lack of insight.
I refer to the post Starbug made. It's simpler and as I'm at work it and I can't be @rsed to make any lenthy protracted reply just yet, his comment will suffice for now!! Pertinent as it is!'"
In other words you can't come up with a constructive arguement, even against a 22 year old.
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| Quote ="chapster"take it leigh lost again at the weekend?.......'"
I believe they were beaten by Gateshead Thunder. Another of those pesky non-M62 corridor type clubs who have no business existing!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I believe they were beaten by Gateshead Thunder. Another of those pesky non-M62 corridor type clubs who have no business existing!'"
Yes that is true , we lost to the North Queensland Thunder but did manage a bonus point , we also caused phsycological and emotional damage to some of their fans by singing and chanting in an abusive manner apparently
Lets hope they dont visit Knowsley road Headingley,Belle vue,Wheldon Road,The Willows,Odsal,DW,Craven Park,KC or the HJ in the future , I have left out the Galpharm and the Stoop and wherever Celtic end up for obvious reasons
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes that is true , we lost to the North Queensland Thunder but did manage a bonus point , we also caused phsycological and emotional damage to some of their fans by singing and chanting in an abusive manner apparently
Lets hope they dont visit Knowsley road Headingley,Belle vue,Wheldon Road,The Willows,Odsal,DW,Craven Park,KC or the HJ in the future , I have left out the Galpharm and the Stoop and wherever Celtic end up for obvious reasons
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Jealousy?
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| Quote ="pmarrow"In other words you can't come up with a constructive arguement, even against a 22 year old.'"
No - it means I was at work and didn't have the time to make a lengthy post! I'm on my way there now!
Read my reply I made later before diving straight back onto the keyboard!
ah the impetuousness of youth - I remember it well!!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"The best teams already [iare[/i in the top league!'"
The best teams plus Celtic Crusaders in fact
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| Quote ="bowes"The best teams plus Celtic Crusaders in fact'"
How did you reach this conclusion?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"The best teams already [iare[/i in the top league!'"
Ok my bad... the best teams who play by the rules
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| Quote ="jannerboyuk"Well if we had 92 professional clubs above the celtic crusaders maybe we could afford to be picky. 12-14 clubs from parts of the M62 are not the basis of a successful sport or even survival as a professional sport. Thats reality and to turn that round takes patience, hard work and calculated risks. HEY LETS BRING BACK ONE BIG DIVISION OF 32 CLUBS! LETS BRING BACK UNLIMITED TACKLES! LETS BRING BACK LINE OUTS AND 15 PLAYERS! Exactly how far do you want go to back or is your unthinking nolstagia selective?'"
I don't see how in anyway that realtes to what I put
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| Quote ="J20"Ok my bad... the best teams who play by the rules
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You've probably just knocked out the whole of the present superleague, but never mind!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"You've probably just knocked out the whole of the present superleague, but never mind!'"
Good point make it the LAW then
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"The best teams already [iare[/i in the top league!'"
Nobody is saying they arent
Or that any club should be thrown out
Just that the truth comes out so that the people who are running our sport dont think they can keep doing this sort of stuff
If they get away with this , what will be next ?
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| Quote ="Rotherham Fev Fan"No - it means I was at work and didn't have the time to make a lengthy post! I'm on my way there now!
Read my reply I made later before diving straight back onto the keyboard!
ah the impetuousness of youth - I remember it well!!
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I read it and it still sounded like you were talking out of your backside.
But because your older then me, you must be right eh ?
If your clubs was run properly you would find that you wouldn't be in this situation.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Nobody is saying they arent
Or that any club should be thrown out
Just that the truth comes out so that the people who are running our sport dont think they can keep doing this sort of stuff
If they get away with this , what will be next ?'"
What sort of stuff ?
The conspiracy thing really is boring, ATEOD whether they have 3000 fans or 20000 they are worth more to the top league in getting money from sky. Whether it is something you agree or disagree with it is the right decision for the sport.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Nobody is saying they arent
Or that any club should be thrown out
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really? are you sure?
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| Quote ="pmarrow"What sort of stuff ?
The conspiracy thing really is boring, ATEOD whether they have 3000 fans or 20000 they are worth more to the top league in getting money from sky. Whether it is something you agree or disagree with it is the right decision for the sport.'"
So you agree the sports governing body should potentially condone or even encourage one of it's member clubs to break the law of the land to further its own ambitions ?
Incredible
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| Quote ="jannerboyuk"really? are you sure?'"
There are few on here who will spout " They are rubbish kick them out " statements , but very few of those posters will then back that up with rational reasons
The majority fully understand what the RFL are trying to achieve , but not the way they are doing it , especially when it involves breaking the law and massively effecting other clubs negatively
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| Quote ="pmarrow"What sort of stuff ?
The conspiracy thing really is boring, ATEOD whether they have 3000 fans or 20000 they are worth more to the top league in getting money from sky. Whether it is something you agree or disagree with it is the right decision for the sport.'"
What evidence whatsoever do you have that Crusaders increase the money from Sky?
They'd rather show a good game I'd imagine
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| Quote ="bowes"What evidence whatsoever do you have that Crusaders increase the money from Sky?
They'd rather show a good game I'd imagine'"
i dont think there is any evidence that the crusaders have currently increased the viewing figures or the dosh we get from sky however the logic of your argument is flawed. wales vs england in the six nations doesnt get good viewing figures merely because it is a good game.
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| It can be an absolute crock of a game - the worst game of Union ever imaginable.
Unfortunately to the vast majority of welsh (and english thinking about it), they'd still prefer it to a great game of league!!
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| Quote ="Rotherham Fev Fan"It can be an absolute crock of a game - the worst game of Union ever imaginable.
Unfortunately to the vast majority of welsh (and english thinking about it), they'd still prefer it to a great game of league!!'"
but thats my point the popularity of a game as a sport in the purist sense is not as important (most people in wales are as baffled by union as anyone else in reality) as having played england year in year out for over a hundred years. Sky dont care less if its a good game as long as people watch and they dont care why they watch.
When the crusaders are competitive with a decent crop of welsh players and are playing st helens say in a grand final qualifier, the welsh will watch in large numbers as much because its 'our' boys beating up the english. Its no accident that the crusaders are uping the welsh content of the club (apparently there were going to have daffodils as large feature of next years shirt but the rfl objected to the covering up of the squad numbers).
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| Quote ="jannerboyuk"
When the crusaders are competitive with a decent crop of welsh players .'"
When!!!!!!!!!!
If/when that day comes around - i'll tootle off back to my hole with only the abolition of P+R to bang on about!!!!
I think it'll happen - quicker than London are filling their side with Londoners - what is it - 30 years or so????
I know celtic will be stronger next year. Know for def! I hope that it inspires more leek gobblers to take up our sport. It's NOT a closed shop and doesn't just have to be played along the 62! That's never been my argument. - but you know that by now.
But when the day happens when a welsh RL team has the 'welshness' about it that people in the province can readily identify - I hope you feel a sense of belonging, attachment and pride as I've felt when my team won the league and the cup!
I just wished the game was fair enough to allow it to happen again!!
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