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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I know they can still play rugby. It's the banning from the country for 10 years that I think is overly harsh. Totally OTT actually. They can't even visit for a holiday. They paid their taxes, were very open about being here. Not like they've snuck in on a truck and exploited our free healthcare system or something.'"
The thing is , we do'nt know where they paid their taxes. The point is that they have been caught out allbeit maybe no fault of their own. You watch "Border patrol" from Aus. there they put them on the next flight out.That's how fair we are.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Hey, I'm a woman too. Funny how you made an assumption there.
First off, I'm sad for the Celtic fans and concerned for the young Welsh guys that they don't have their confidence damaged by three tonkings. From a Saints POV, I'm sure some fans are probably peeved. Me, I'm not bothered. On three occasions this season the mighty Saints have led Superleague by 6 points and then we've lost our lead. If Leeds sneak it at the end then so be it. We only have ourselves to blame for not maintaining our season-long lead. The potential for a points fest probably hurts the mid table teams more, given that Castleford have yet to play the Crusaders and they are in a four way battle to remain in the playoffs. We're guaranteed at least third spot.
The only Championship club I felt sympathy towards when the licences were awarded was Widnes and that was because (a) they'd been held back once before due to RFL expansion plans, and (b) I wasn't sure whether penalising them for their past financial problems was justified. However, I no longer feel that sympathy because I, like so many other RL fans, have moved on. In fact, judging by the fans on this site, quite a lot of Widnes fans seem to have moved on. And good for them, is what I say. If they can focus on working towards a good application in a couple of years time then they stand a good chance of getting in. Someone will end up disappointed though and no doubt the bitterness will continue, whether or not the Crusaders succeed - which I sincerely hope they do! And I was as interested in them when they were in the Championship as I am now, just as I'm very interested in how Gateshead Thunder are doing (and I hope they avoid relegation, just to anger Leigh fans even more).'"
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or not it would seem
[urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/~therflc/home/news_all.php[/url follow the link, use the drop down menu.
Has there been an official announcement yet?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"or not it would seem
[urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/~therflc/home/news_all.php[/url follow the link, use the drop down menu.
Has there been an official announcement yet?'"
But also, there may be no Celtic on the drop down menu, but there is also no Hull Kr, and Widnes are in.
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I just think its odd that the WELSH based Borders agency (RU through & through of course) have timed these events to detract from the blatent cheating from Harlequins in the `Bloodgate` affair.'"
Actually they'd be pleased to see English RU look silly as that is what Welsh RU fans tend to hate most
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There were signs of support for RL in S Wales and maybe - just maybe - the workings of the Borders Agency are pro RU down there and absolutely terrified that RL may become a major force.'"
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Well said Phil Clarke - even if the RFL are trying to keep a low profile - some are prepared to stand up and be counted
www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 51,00.html
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"Many of us let our hearts rule our heads when we supported the elevation of the Celtic Crusaders to Super League this season.
We wanted them to succeed because of the obvious benefits for the game of a thriving club in South Wales.
And yet there was a little voice in the back of our heads saying: "They're not ready and there's something not right about them."
In one sense, that worry had already turned out to be well-founded before the events of this week. A team largely composed of bulk bought Australians had not really been competitive and it was proving hard work to attract fans to Brewery Field.
Now it transpires that the Crusaders earned their Super League place with half a dozen players who shouldn't have been there.
It's a scam on a par with the last days of Paris St Germain and explains why other teams in what were then the National Leagues were constantly muttering about them.
One of those mutterings was that the RFL was so determined to have them in Super League that it would turn a blind eye to any defects.
It all raises the question of whether the League applied due diligence to the club's visa situation. They said yesterday, in effect, that it wasn't their business.
Not good enough - not when you have the integrity of a competition to maintain.
It has all proved a terrible embarrassment to the game, which just looks a shambles.
I still hope the Crusaders can succeed. There have been some hopeful signs in their grass-roots work and the drip feed of young Welsh players into the first team.
And there will be a glimpse of the future on Saturday, when they play at Newport, their home for next season.
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www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 51,00.html
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"Many of us let our hearts rule our heads when we supported the elevation of the Celtic Crusaders to Super League this season.
We wanted them to succeed because of the obvious benefits for the game of a thriving club in South Wales.
And yet there was a little voice in the back of our heads saying: "They're not ready and there's something not right about them."
In one sense, that worry had already turned out to be well-founded before the events of this week. A team largely composed of bulk bought Australians had not really been competitive and it was proving hard work to attract fans to Brewery Field.
Now it transpires that the Crusaders earned their Super League place with half a dozen players who shouldn't have been there.
It's a scam on a par with the last days of Paris St Germain and explains why other teams in what were then the National Leagues were constantly muttering about them.
One of those mutterings was that the RFL was so determined to have them in Super League that it would turn a blind eye to any defects.
It all raises the question of whether the League applied due diligence to the club's visa situation. They said yesterday, in effect, that it wasn't their business.
Not good enough - not when you have the integrity of a competition to maintain.
It has all proved a terrible embarrassment to the game, which just looks a shambles.
I still hope the Crusaders can succeed. There have been some hopeful signs in their grass-roots work and the drip feed of young Welsh players into the first team.
And there will be a glimpse of the future on Saturday, when they play at Newport, their home for next season.
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oh Dave Hadfield, hindsight isn't half 20/20 in his neck of the woods.
I can't recall his protestations 2 years ago when the abolition of P+R came in or when celtic were granted a licence!!!
Otherwise, relevant comments to make given the gravity of the situation.
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look starbug and others
i read most of this garbage on tuesday, and i dont see how its made leigh less embarrasing to their fans or the general rl community, do you?
heres a little idea.....you may write it down with the help of a grown up.
get your team to score more points than the team that turns up to play them each weekend, ok forget about LSF being lovely BECAUSE IT STANDS FOR LEIGH SLIGHTLY F..............! ok
but down the mouse, pull out the keyboard, log off and go and rant about the state of the world in bus stations, because your boring theories are deserving af being shouted at a more random audience, and you get more cider!
later when your better you may come back on the nl2 board and join in
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| Quote ="chapster"look starbug and others
i read most of this garbage on tuesday, and i dont see how its made leigh less embarrasing to their fans or the general rl community, do you?
heres a little idea.....you may write it down with the help of a grown up.
get your team to score more points than the team that turns up to play them each weekend, ok forget about LSF being lovely BECAUSE IT STANDS FOR LEIGH SLIGHTLY F..............! ok
but down the mouse, pull out the keyboard, log off and go and rant about the state of the world in bus stations, because your boring theories are deserving af being shouted at a more random audience, and you get more cider!
later when your better you may come back on the nl2 board and join in'"
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hehehe
i cant spell villiage!
anyway nice to see that was the only thing you could fault in my post, your learning! |
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| Quote ="chapster"hehehe
i cant spell villiage!
anyway nice to see that was the only thing you could fault in my post, your learning!'"
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Phil Clarke has suggested that there should be an inquiry to see whether there has been "institutionalised deceit". He makes a valid point, and the potential complicity of the RFL in this is not encouraging, but the main problem is that the short term view of those who run the Celtics and the RFL could end professional rugby league in Wales for ever, the rot beginning with the "it's now or never" approach of Samuels last year. I feel really sorry for the real rugby league people in Wales, who have put in the hard yards and tried to build the game, not the opportunist parasites, because I get the increasing feeling that the dark suit brigade are going to shaft your dreams, because they will get the whiff of trouble in the wind and they'll pull out their money.
Good luck, but I fear it's goodbye.
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Please can we keep the Celtic deportation discussion in here please.
Anymore new threads and people will be taking a break from posting.
Cheers, Wheels.
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| The Border Agency does seem to love refusing Rugby League players from plying their trade.
Bet Al Quaeda are ing themselves... 
[urlhttp://newslite.tv/2009/08/03/illegal-immigrant-sneaks-into.html[/url |
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LOL - so expect some Serbian Forwards, Albanian Backs & a couple of Roumanian touch Judges. Couldnt make it up could you?
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I'll take the Romanian officials over that french goon Halibut any day of the week.
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the club are responsible for checking that all their employees are legally entitled to work in this country..this time they either were slack or just plain incompetent. whichever way crusaders should be immediately relieved of their super league status and a club properly worthy of the status be promoted for the start of next season.
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No I think we'll follow proper procedure instead.
Which of the teams we beat in NL1 would you give our place to?
Widnes? Naaah, hammered them.
Halifax? Remember last time they were in? What did they win? 2 matches?
Leigh? Didn't exactly cover themselves in glory last time either.
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| Quote ="Grendel"crow,
No I think we'll follow proper procedure instead.
Which of the teams we beat in NL1 would you give our place to?
Widnes? Naaah, hammered them.
Halifax? Remember last time they were in? What did they win? 2 matches?
Leigh? Didn't exactly cover themselves in glory last time either.'"
With all due respect, it is now a proven fact that the Celtic Crusaders played 6 ineligible players in order to achieve this.
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Clearly they WERE eligible to play. Because they did.
But if you need to go digging for adminstrative errors to claim victory, fill yer boots.
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| Quote ="Grendel"crow,
No I think we'll follow proper procedure instead.
Which of the teams we beat in NL1 would you give our place to?
Widnes? Naaah, hammered them.
Halifax? Remember last time they were in? What did they win? 2 matches?
Leigh? Didn't exactly cover themselves in glory last time either.'"
I think we won many more matches then two in the 8 years we were in SL. We had one very very bad season when we went down. |
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| Quote ="Grendel"Clearly they WERE eligible to play. Because they did.'"
No they weren't. This is why they have now been deported. Celtic have fielded ineligible players for the whole period of their stay in NL1 & NL2. This is a statement of fact and is irrefutable.
Quote ="Grendel"But if you need to go digging for adminstrative errors to claim victory, fill yer boots.'"
I'm not the one claiming victory here, that was you. What Celtic have done, by fielding these players - knowingly or otherwise - has more significant ramifications than just a few games against Widnes.
I think you'll also find that this may not be just a case of [i'administrative errors'[/i.
Quote ="UKBA"the club remains the subject of investigation by the Border Agency which has already concluded that deception was used in bringing the players into the country.'"
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/aug/18/celtic-crusaders-australians-visas[/url
All this talk of blaming UKBA for changing the rules for this situation just doesn't wash. The rules on working holiday visas were changed as far back as 2005. All that happened at the end of last season was a new points system was introduced. All clubs had a meeting with the UKBA in Manchester about this last year, therefore all should have been well aware of the situation. Even the UKBA cannot change the rules and then prosecute retrospectively. That, in itself, is illegal. Therefore the contracts of the six players involved must not have been adequate for those seasons.
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