Maybe, but it supports the point of being able to come in and seriously compete due to the salary cap.

No it doesn't.

Catalans would have been relegated in their first season if not for the special dispensation and Cas would have been relegated AGAIN last season but for the licensing process, so if anything it proves his point to be completely wrong

Was the poster referring to when we had relegation or was he making a point that it is easier to compete and finish well due to salary cap nowicon_wink.gif

Thats very true, so I wouldnt have gone on a message board knocking Hull FC when they were doing better then us, makes you look stupid when you knock a team who is doing better then you.

No he was making the point that it is easier for teams coming into SL to compete quicker due to the salary cap. I was pointing out how wrong he was using Cas and Catalans as an example as both should have been relegated having just been promoted. The thing that kept them in SL was the RFL.

His same point cannot now be proven because there is no promotion or relegation, but the two new sides in this years SL finished bottom and second botton, again disproving his point.

Actually it highlights how unstable a newly promoted team can be, take cats for example should have been relegated, by the 3rd season finished 3rd, not the best of seasons this year, yet here they are in the semi-final play-offs.

It wasn't the salary cap that helped them finish higher though, it was better recruitment and better players and a helping hand from their special dispensation

Yes it does, My point was it's easier to progress quickly. Your the one bring in the irrelevant points

My point is it is easier to build a decent side quickly because all teams are able to compete financially. Unlike when hull were promoted when all the best sides could spend millions more and also didn't have to offload players.

Celtics have struggled because they do not have the resources and also have been thrown in at the deep end whereas Rovers and Castleford had a nucleus to build on.

Salford and Celtics won't disprove my point until they have had 3 years as I was comparing your teams first 3 years and my teams first 3 years

Cant really see what your driving at....

Hull KR
2007 - 11th
2008 - 7th
2009 - 4th lose our first 2 playoff games
= progress

Hull FC
1998 - 9th out of 12
1999 - 13th out of 14
2000 - 7th after merger with a far better side
2001 - 3rd, 4 years to make the playoffs then lose first 2 playoff games (no better than rovers then)
2002 - 5th, lose playoff again
2003 - 7th
2004 - 3rd, lose playoff again
2005 - 5th, win first ever playoff game after 5th attempt then lose 71 - 0 to bradford
2006 - 2nd, get to final but lose again so still no S/L trophy to shout about.
2007 - 4th, win one lose one
2008 - 11th
2009 - 12th
= decline

So it took hull 4 yrs to reach the playoffs and 8 yrs to win first playoff game, come back in 5 years and see how we are doing



really impressive 12yrs in super league...............NOT



Oh, and i nearly forgot, we are 7-3 up in derbies and by the next good friday derby we will have had the bragging rights for 958 of the 1089 days since we joined S/L.

Challenge cup win and g/final more than most teams have achieved

Edited. May as well bold your losses too, or it doesn't look as though they mean as much as they clearly do.

PS - your calculation of how many days bragging rights you may have had puts Mrs B to shame. Can we start giving you the same level of abuse as she gets on your board?

So your classing not winning anything in 2006 as an achievement...... OK
We've achieved that this year as well, cheers

when did I go all saddo and mention 2006, I merely pointed out we had won the challenge cup and played in a g/.final



Are you still sulking

what won the c/cup and reached the g/final

I didn't bother highlighting our 2 losses as i was sure you'd still be able to remember them, they are well documented on these forums


I cant claim the plaudits for that i'm afraid, it was in the rovers program, so mrs ba.......rista still top facts and figures bore

No silly billy, won the same this year as you did in 2006, don't forget you keep telling us that trophies are all that counts in S/L and it took you 8yrs to do that, still plenty of time for us to equal or better your magnificent achievements don't you agree.

Small minded club alert!

Agree, however some very established teams also have yet to gain any silverware..got to be in it to win it though, all to play for next year for all teams.

You missed one FACT.

FC are the only promoted side ever to win anything in the superleague era.

That's what is called REAL Progress.

Why does everyone keep saying that it took rovers 3 seasons? Did rovers not exist as a club when Hull first played in superleague? It's taken you 14 years of SL to make the play-offs

Hull KR
1998 - Didn't win a SL play-off
1999 - Didn't win a SL play-off
2000 - Didn't win a SL play-off
2001 - Didn't win a SL play-off
2002 - Didn't win a SL play-off
2003 - Didn't win a SL play-off
2004 - Didn't win a SL play-off
2005 - Didn't win a SL play-off
2006 - Didn't win a SL play-off
2007 - Didn't win a SL play-off
2008 - Didn't win a SL play-off
2009 - LOST 2 SL play-offs

Progress

Priceless

Nah... it's usually £2.50 for a 64 page programme!