I tell some-one imo their morals and values are in the gutter and you consider that abuse...yet you are quite happy for [iCharlie[/i who is a racist thug to get another contract...Priceless

As I said I stand by the boards decision, whatever they think appropriate. You seem tetchy at my use of the name Charlie, I take it you read the title of the thread before starting your rantathon.

Ranathon

...Mmm clearly some of you are upset that I have such strong feelings regarding a racist thug to the point of some even deciding he may not be a racist aferall

... you just carry on telling the youngsters it is alrightt to chant Charlie Charlie because Hudge said so.

You are yet to back up your allegation of racist groups

EDL iirc.

Got caught up in an EDL march coming out of Victoria station a couple of months ago, whichever way we turned they always seemed to be right behind us, it appeared that we were leading the march.

Thought I was going to end up on some sort of watch list. Ducked into a shop to escape, this turned out to be an establishment selling second hand jazz mags. Out of the frying pan...

The Hull Daily Mail showed some screenshots from Cockayne's Facebook page.

"Religious views: hang/burn the extremists then off with there stinking ugly heads"

"Political views: british jobs british folk, block up the channel tunnel"

Give me an hour or so II am at work), and I will get the link if I can.

Bad news that, hope my mum hasn't drowned, she's not the best swimmer.

Maybe Cockayne could rescue her, restore his reputation.

Not seen it but it wouldn't overly surprise me,
Playing devils advocate I could say talk of hanging extremsts is not in itself racist, assuming all people of a certain race to be extremist is.
I would have also thought that the term British Jobs for British folk is also not racist, assuming all british folk are white and of the same race is.
Blocking the tunnel is not racist, merely a comment on control of illegal immigration.
These are all generally views portrayed by one or other of the major 3 political parties in the uk.

As I said I am playing devils advocate and have no doubt anyone who uses language like he did has at best mild racist views and at worst is a member of the ayrian brotherhood.

Not sure I agree with you there BR, when coupled with his comments it kind of gives a very dim picture. We also know that not all British folk are white and we are very much a multicultural nation, I maybe wrong but for me a racist is a racist there is no middle ground, mind you do doubt you have figured that one out, in my defence I am just as passionate about homophobic behaviour as well,

As I said I was playing purely devils advocate by pointing out those statements and sentiments although adopted by racists are not in themselves racist and merely a comment of anti extremism and calls for control of immigration. I could quite happily support those sentiments and not be deemed racist in any way.

There is a view that there is in fact a middle ground where racism is concerned, its one that is probably ingrained in society and will take an very long time to erradicate. This view is one that eans a person holds view of difference without holding a view of inferiority. they can have friends of all races, wish no harm to other people of differing races yet when the chips are down they still use race as a differentiator whether conciously or subconciously. It comes from years of ingrained latent learning. I'm 42 and my granparents used racist language, that was how they were brought up. My parents don't tend to but deep down they'll have ingrained views that were told to them as a child. I would love to believe that I view all people equally and I think I do but in my sub concious I still notice someone of a different race even if I don;t discriminate, abuse or treat any differently. My kids will be even further down the line of not even noticing hopefully and eventually it will go. But there are different levels of racism. The other extremes being swastikas, burning crosses and the NF.

Nah.
Everything I said was pretty much spot on.

You COULD say an eye for an eye on this one (I wouldn't BTW).

Lets be clear here did it say 'White British folk' or just "British folk"?, As there is some diffrence with what you have been saying.

No it really was not

You are a few years younger than me and I can relate to your post, my Nanna once described my sofa as niger brown and my 2 children were left open mouthed! I agree it will take society a long time to educate, hence why I feel it is important that examples are made and set when and where it is appropriate, especially in the public arena like sport.
Personally it is different for me I never actually notice skin colour, though this maybe as my best friend for the past 30 odd years is black, plus I have worked with ethnic minorities and shared their tears and heartbreak at the racist behaviour displayed against them when all they want to do is just get on with their lives like the rest of us....I would like to have seen your club insist that Ben did some voluntary work with ethnic groups, mind you not sure he would have been welcomed with open arms like.

Well so far it seems only you think so.

Oh right, that clearly makes you right then



You was wrong, you claimed I wear a badge of honour as to where I was brought up, you clearly choose to ignore the valid reasons why I mentioned it because it suited your argument, let us be honest most know you have a reputation for this, but if it makes you feel good hey! ho! carry on.

No when i'm wrong I admit it, I have done a few times in the past.
You mentioned North Hull and other things.

So exactly why did you add the last line?
Was it just for a laugh?

You realise that none of the groups you've mentioned express a particularly racist view don't you?
I don't know of one person who doesn't want a hardline approach to extremism, this perhaps wasn't a wise move to join this group, but it doesn't make him a racist.
Again, I don't know of anybody who would prefer a job in Britain to go to a foreigner rather than a Brit.
Finally, a group that implies a reduction in the amount of illegal immigrants coming to Britain also seems to express a fairly normal emotion.

Which race do you think these groups prove that Ben is prejudice against?

Didn't want to touch this one with a barge pole then BB.
Strange that.

Why have you conveniently failed to post the comments I was replying to ?

OK, for the second time...SR told me I should gain some life skills and education..You follow so far ?...so I replied I was educated to degree level, and I was raised on N.Hull (where there is plenty of diversity and life skills to be gained)!!

From that you decided I was implying that I posted where I was raised as a badge of honour etc, how you reached this conclusion is beyond me!! You clearly thought you could try to belittle me, you failed as per!

Just for you RW!

Ah that explains everything

Mmm..as long as they are not Pa***i C****t eh!.....I honestly thought you were brighter than this.

So was it the comments on facebook or the assault that angered you the most out of interest.

Point me in the direction where I have said claiming to be from OPE is a bad thing or that you shouldn't be proud of your upbringing?
Oh wait you can't because I didn't say it therefore where i'm supposed to be belittling you is beyond me as I wasn't.
I agree that NH/OPE is a learning experience, It still doesn't change thet fact that you USED your upbringing to win an arguement.
Still carry on.