The ironic thing is it is the Aussies who are the worst at it and they dont need to! Picking players like Mason, Dymock, Civonacieva(sp), Hayne and Hunt who all qualify for lesser nations by birth right just weakens the international game.

Both Tonga and Samoa could probably pick a very competitive team if allowed to.

don't the nrl have central contracts though similar to RU to keep top players like the ones mentioned?

OK.
Lets make it simple for you.
Welham = Ever Present in the team that finished 4th in the Table.
Hall = Fringe Player and loaned out in the team that finished 12th.

If you take the time to digest what is actually posted then you might not make yourself look so much of a fool.
Ive posted that if they both reach full potencial Hall will be the better player.
But as things stand Welham has had a far far better season then Hall and deserves credit for that.
Its up to Hall to change that opinion.

i dont think so. they do have 3rd party payments off sponsors but nothing to do with nationallity.

No im saying that late developers like Welham appear under the radar and dont get the hype.
Reference Tommy Lee

All that applies to Kevin Penny on the wing and id rather stick pins up my jacksy then see him in a Rovers shirt.

None that I am aware of.

all what that proves is its harder to get into our centres than it is hkrs. all your points to why welhams better doesn't stand up against hall.

and explain the break through at 21 stuff?
were am i saying welham doesn't deserve credit?

Oh come on.
Byrne and Yeaman, Hall and G Horne.
You serious

some players develop later i agree but it doesn't mean players cant improve after 21, some players play their best rugby in their 30's. some are even saying senior has had his best season this year.

whos in front of welham? since morgan realised walker is a 2nd rower hes had no competion for that position.

welhams had a good year in a strong side, since halls returned hes had a good return of tries in a poor side.

Surely its all about how these players are developing and not by matching last years appearance stats!

Please quote me where i said that was the case.
My point about Welham is that 09 was his 1st full season.
All the other names being posted as better players have more SL experiance, therefore he could potencially catch them up in performance and in some instances be the better player in the longer term.

Ok could have more improvement in him if you want to be so pedantic
At no point did i say other players do not improve also.

Kris Welham has made the grade despite-

-not been in a super league scholorship scheme
-not been in a super league academy set up
-only turning full time in his early 20s.

He deserves massive respect for his achievements thus far and will only get better.

How good would he be at present had he been awarded Craig Halls opportunities......

welhams improved very well under morgan, its clear he plays to his strenghs in wel disciplined displays hopefully with more experience he'll be able to attack with more freedom and be able to gain the art of putting his winger away, something most english centres haven't got a clue about.

were am i been pedantic? its your quote.

how long was welham at hull for? how longs he been at hkr?

he hasn't had halls opportunities because he didn't have the same talent as him at the same age.

TBF nobody is saying Welham doesnt deserve credit but saying he isnt a top super league centre. your points dont really change that do they?

He may improve and I think he will but I think there are a few more talented centres in super league.

Give Hall his credit because he must have earnt and deserved the opportunities he has received so far. He didnt get picked for international duty out of pity.

Where have i knocked Craig Hall?

Maybe you should have acknowledged Hall's achievements to avoid confusion!

Northern Rail winners medal?

Ameture being the operative word.

How fans of a tin-pot team who finished a lucky 12th in the SL have got the gaul to post on here (a team who finished top-four) is beyond me.

Played for his country bud.