Netherton seems to be coming in for some serious scapegoating. Isn't the real issue that he's fine as a decent/honest squad player: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=422973&start=0 ..but he's getting picked ahead of other players that fans generally believe can contribute more at this level, ie it's a coach's selection issue rather than an ability issue?

Netherton seems to be coming in for some serious scapegoating. Isn't the real issue that he's fine as a decent/honest squad player: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=422973&start=0 ..but he's getting picked ahead of other players that fans generally believe can contribute more at this level, ie it's a coach's selection issue rather than an ability issue?

Quote ="Mrs Barista"Netherton seems to be coming in for some serious scapegoating. Isn't the real issue that he's fine as a decent/honest squad player: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=422973&start=0 ..but he's getting picked ahead of other players that fans generally believe can contribute more at this level, ie it's a coach's selection issue rather than an ability issue?'" I wouldn't argue with any of this.

Quote ="Mrs Barista"Netherton seems to be coming in for some serious scapegoating. Isn't the real issue that he's fine as a decent/honest squad player: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=422973&start=0 ..but he's getting picked ahead of other players that fans generally believe can contribute more at this level, ie it's a coach's selection issue rather than an ability issue?'" I wouldn't argue with any of this.

Squad, Yes.
A constant first team regular, No.

I agree.
It's a squad game , but it's how you select the team for a particular game is the point.

The old adage that defence wins games is true , but you do also have to look at your offensive options to capitalise on good defensive work.

Our cause has not been helped either by the number of errors made and giving away field position , increasing the amount of tackling we've had to do at the wrong end of the field.

i've said on a fair few threads that as a squad player (back up, not first 17) fed trained and cheapish on the cap that i'd agree with him being involved but imo there is far more better players than jn in the squad that should be selected before him.

Take off those dislike specs and read what you have actually posted. Your stats are very VERY similar (something you asked for as you will never get a player that is accurately the same) and the only stat that puts Kirke ahead of Jase is the offloads of which our WHOLE sqaud rarely does.

In his first game Mason offloaded more in that one game than Jase has over three seasons yet in the 5 games that followed that he offloaded ONCE. Does this not show that the coaching is the problem and if Jase was encouraged to offload he would probably be up there with similar stats to Kirke.

We play safe rugby, Leeds play an offload risk game. Put Jase in that squad under those coaches and he'd be on a par with Kirke easily. Remember it is not that he can't offload because in the CC Quarter Final against Warrington he released an almost impossible offload that got us a try.

I have also never said that Netherton or Kirke are players that will take us to the next level but what I am saying is he is the sort of cheap dependable player who puts everything in which is what his coach asks of him. All players have jobs on the pitch, he does the one he is asked to do and does it very well.

If he does leave I fear for the player that you take a dislike to...

Yes very similar apart from offloads..................and meters made per tackle obviously (I say 1/2 a meter more everytime is a pretty big diffrence but you don't think so obviously.).

It's fifty centimetres, Kirke is fifty centimetres taller than Netherton so it's just that he falls further when tackled.

or half a meter aka 1.7 feet.

1 metre = 3.28 feet

He's a tall lad is Ian Kirke.

Clearly

No because you then don't factor in the time it takes Netherton to get to his feet compared to Kirke, does Jason get a quicker play the ball away meaning on the back of his drive do we then make up that half a meter?

Also stats can't tell you everything about a player. Kirke may in one game have got a 70mtr break down field thus putting his average up massively compared to Netherton.

If Justin Morgan, Brian McClennan, Tony Smith and Brian McDermott all see fit to pick this style of player then there must be something in it as two of them have coached internationally and one has brought through some of the best youngsters this country has to offer! Pretty sure your time spent working out all those numbers could have been spent doing something far more interesting and productive?!

Actually, I've changed sides again.

IK takes 27 seconds to get up after being tackled where as JN leaps majestically from the ground like a salmon returning up the Tay from it's thousand mile migration on it's way back to the pool of it's birth to spawn.

This allows us to get quicker ptb's and therefore make more metres, just not metres made by JN, he's busy spawning.

So you are just going to guess stuff to back up your arguement now then.



Oh and BTW 3 coaches have picked IK this is true but only 1 has picked JN although this was a nice attempt at spin.

he's poo

The word "does" and the "?" isn't guessing at all it is asking the question. But as you can't google or use the SL website to support the answer to that question your a little bit stuck!

Your post completely backed my original answer to your question, then to try and say they are not similar just because of a few extra yards or other stats. Both have been coached by different coaches and one playing in a championship winning side, so naturally ones stats should be better but what is evident is that his stats are not massively different and I would GUESS that Jase would have done better over the years playing in that kind of a team.

Ok we get it you don't like Jason Netherton's style of play, it probably won't win us silverware and we should be signing better all round players. Just one thing...get your wallet out and pay for these players that will want at least double what Netherton earns. You can't keep expecting our board of directors to fund all these superstars and still expect them to replace a good solid worker like JN.

I'm not stuck at all I have presented my FACTS which back up my point.
IK is a better player than JN it isn't my fault you can't see what is presented in front of you.

My post didn't back you up at all unless you are now agreeing that IK is far better on offloads and meters gained per tackle (Lets just pretend you didnt make a silly arguement about who get off the floor quicker

).

2 things firstly I spend more than my fair share on HKR.
Secondly last time I checked we are at full cap.
Infact I honestly think we could get rid of JN and never notice (How many team missed tackles/lack of offloads/lack of meterage again?)so you could argue that his wage is actually a waste anyway.

This was what you asked for. Your word here is LIKE, that to me shows that Ian Kirke is LIKE Jason Netherton in that he is a defensive player who doesn't make great yards and although offloads more could be more to do with the team he plays in rather than Jason not doing it. As we can all see Rovers as a team do not offload as much as Leeds and putting JN in that team he MAY offload more.

So your like for like figures showed that I had found a player that plays for a TOP CLUB that is LIKE Jason Netherton.

So the fact that IK is better then JN makes then alike

Ronaldo is LIKE Messi in the fact both are excellent world class footballers who have great skills and can score plenty of goals. However Messi is BETTER than Ronaldo.

Just because someone is slightly better than someone else it is not to say they are not alike in the way they play the game.

Just for you...

Like

adjective, ( Poetic ) lik·er, lik·est, preposition, adverb, conjunction, noun, verb, liked, lik·ing, interjection
–adjective

1. of the same form, appearance, kind, character, amount, etc.: I cannot remember a like instance.

2. corresponding or agreeing in general or in some noticeable respect; similar; analogous: drawing, painting, and like arts.

3. bearing resemblance.

Now please give it a rest, you was given a sensible answer that even top clubs have players LIKE Jason Netherton. There may only be one I don't know I am not going to troll through every Super League player just to find someone with worse/slightly better stats to find them as it is not going to achieve anything.

You can`t talk crap on here.

Er ok then

Never really thought of Jason Netherton as Ronaldo, but he's gone up in my estimation now!

I think the poster was actually referring to Ronnie Ronaldo.

U
More like Ronald McDonald!