the ridicules' ' set up you have installed this season will put you down. lets be honest, no one really knows who's running the team who gave a high profile player permission to leave the country when a club is fighting for survival needs a big bollocking the way you are going you are on the way down your running out of troops and the dressing room is split (commentator said today all the KR players had given Kelly a verbal ) sounds bad to me

So didn't Tilse walk over to the East Stand after the match? Speaks volumes to me.

Tilse wasnt on his own, of the 14 players left on the park only six came over to the east stand and North, with notably Lunt and Clarkson fronting up and walking right alongside the east stand touch line, most bottled it when the initial but short chorus of booing rang out. Cockayne is getting very good at dodging criticism from the fans following defeat and did the same thing away against Leeds a few weeks back.

I beg to differ. Most at least came over and a few walked away quickly. Tilse just went straight down the dug out. I'm sure he tried his best, but also showing he is not commited to this club nor is SL quality.

Tiles was rubbish but essentially cockaynes mistakes lost us the game, dropped a couple of sitters one of them directly turned into a try and that pass when we had 3 on 1 was criminal. Still it's Charlie so he's ok..... Webster needs a big chunk of blame as well, the spell we lost the game we needed a leader on the pitch yet Lunt didn't come back on til the predetermined time slot, coaching needs to be dynamic, Leigh's was and it won them the game, still webbo is looking forward to the next games ffs.

By the way well done Leigh, probably done enough to go up and fully deserved their win yesterday.

I'm not having any truck with this Dane Tilse cost us the game yesterday crap. Absolute BS.

It wasn't his best game this season, admittedly, but he was far from poor. Larroyer was certainly poor off the bench, Lawler likewise and the back row largely anonymous, except Adam Walker who was our notional 13. The front row were good for half an hour but faded as the game went on as the whole team succumbed to lethargy.

The game was lost by Webster removing Lunt from the action at the wrong time, a drop in intensity and speed, a crap game plan, some poor attacking play options in the final third after Q1 and crucial errors from senior players such as Cockayne and Blair.

For my part, I would much prefer to have some balanced and fair subjectivity in this Tilse debate instead of blinkered vindictiveness towards him on the part of some.

Good and fair post Burton. More like it.

BTW, I agree that Leigh deserved victory. They ramped up their line speed throughout, sustained it, limited our go forward, hit harder and finally bullied us into submission. Apart from that facet, they were just a very average, honest but hardworking side. They will be a good addition to Super League imo.

tilse made 120 metres yesterday. In comparison, larroyer, greenwood, clarkson and donaldson made 143 between them. A big shout out for larroyer, who avergaed 2 metres in his 6 drives and clarkson who eclipsed that with an average pf 3.38m from his 8 hit ups. 3 of your props made over 100 metres but your back row is a disgrace

A big

from me on this, Jake. Bob on.

I think Larroyer models his hit ups on a rook or bishop in chess. Sideways into contact and then fall forward or diagonal if you're lucky. How did the snail gobbler get a contract extension? He's pants.

Compared to minichello, manu, ellis and pritchard they look a bit off the pace

The first 3 yes, but not the fourth in your list.

He knows he's crap, hence why he was the ONLY player not to walk over to the East Stand after the match. He just disappeared.'"

yeah, the 4 I mentioned from your side are definitely better than pritchard.

Is there a crack epidemic in pickering?

Not in Pickering, but there was one in Hull recently when Spencer Tunick came to town. Bum bum.

I listened to a Manchester radio commentary for the first half, couldn't find a Hull based one. After 20 minutes their commentators were singing the praises of Tilse, also Walker and I think Allgood. They complemented Rovers on error free rugby in poor conditions and blamed poor discipline for Leigh's bad start. Unfortunately just as they said that, errors started to creep into Rovers play and they seemed to fall to pieces. The commentators thought Leigh's subs had much more impact than ours and they thought the game swung Leigh's way when Tilse went off. So someone appreciates him. Sounded like a pretty fair opinion from them, which surprised me a bit, I'd expected a bit more bias. Then I went for my tea at half time fearing the worst, by the time I got back it had happened. Not looking forward to watching it on HKRTV but one of the hazards of being Yorkshire, I've paid for it so I'll have to watch it now. Much beer in fridge to help.

Webster not playing boudezba again was poor.he tackles hard and is a nasty little sod. Played Tim nice but dim instead.dixon will now probably get a game and be under that much pressure he will Mess it up again which is a shame cos if he was playing behind a decent team he could be very good.beat London and fev (which I am far from sure of)sets up giants match loser in mpg.if campese is fit he needs to play next 2 games and prove it..cant have him run out vs hudds again look great for 15 min then pull up.we need some positive news,some leaders on and off pitch but the current players look shot and Mr squeak as coach inspires me as much as the players it seems?

Tilse isn't the worst member of your pack by any stretch. He's an easy target for criticism because he's big, slow and lumbering, but his work rate is good and his go forward is acceptable. Larroyer on the other hand...

Larroyer has pulled out of his house purchse in Elloughton, quiting he won't be here next year

In the form he is in at the moment do not think we will miss him do you

I don't agree with all the flack Tilse gets, He is a long way off the best in the league but his stats don't lie. He makes good yards. I would rate only Walker & Allgood above him. In my opinion we have some good prospects in Greenwood & Mulhern but they are to young to be the lead against the likes of Hansen, Hock & Tickle. At the start of the season I thought we would need two big nasty front row forwards added to what we had & with the lack of a leader we have struggled. Blair is a class act (my choice for player of the season) but not a natural organiser & Kelly behaving like a tool put far to much pressure on Marsh (who will become a good player). Lunt coming off was a big mistake (unless he is not 100%) he could move to loose & let Budebsa take some tackles in the middle. Josh Hogson dose it week in week out in the NRL. Lets hope we can regroup or it will be years before we get back into super league if we could survive the drop.

As a Leigh fan this makes interesting reading, as I compare Tilse to our forwards, I feel if you put him in our team around big forwards who share the workload he would be a real stand out player.

There are not many teams with a set of forwards as big as Leigh, this is were we came unstuck last year, we were just too lightweight which I can see in your backrow/bench.

This year with Hansen, Weston, Hock, Patterson, Hopkins, & tickle all well over 6ft and 100KG+ we generally out bully teams up front and that has co-incided with our style of rugby change, add too that Moi Moi & Maitua you have a very good blend of size & power. We released average forwards like Emmitt & Haggerty realising the problem with "smaller" forwards against SL packs. Puletua gave us nightmares last year.

I don't know how much Tilse is paid but I bet its 3 times as much as Weston who we got for peanuts from Melbourne with an impressive 8 year NRL career behind him & he's only 29.

Forwards cost you on Saturday (I know Cockayne had a shocker) but after Tilse & Walker you had nothing, added to that I think someone had upset Hansen as he nearly killed people.

You are too strong to go down, I think you are 2 props & a back rower off being a top 8 team.

There is too much expectation on Tilse & Walker.

From the outside looking in, Tilse always seems to play long stints, and looks knackered for a while before he's brought off. He'd probably be more effective if he had 2 shorter spells each game