The rules were different then. It was a different era. Things that may have been acceptable then are not necessarily acceptable now.

Like Mick Crane nipping out to put a bet on at half time with a fag in his gob

Social norms have moved on, it is true. I'm very much looking forward to doing the same and sending the discussion of semantics to the Fev board or the Sin Bin.

From a purely rugby POV it did seem oddly fitting that the Charlie chant was killed by Rovers conceding a needless penalty.

He doesn't and by the looks of it neither do you. What does religion have to do with racism?? Nothing because it's not race specific is it. Anyone can be a muslim from Osama Bin Laden to you. Deary me I thought you was at least clued up a little bit

He made a racist comment about a taxi driver by abusing an Asian man using the term he did. He's gone it was the right decision and we move on. He might learn one day as doubtful as it looks

You never even bothered to open that link I posted for you did you!.....The fact you ask what does religion have to do with racism is very very scary. I have concluded you are not ignorant just thick!

I can't be bothered with you anymore, race and religion are two different things, I thought you'd even know something as basic as that

OK this is what it says on the childline link (which was posted for you), it is in simple terms as it is directed at children, it may help you but I am not holding my breath!
Now do not get confused with the word prejudiced being used...Basically it is a word used to describe rascim


A simple example is the Jews experienced racism, this may shock you as they have the same skin colour as the people who often show racist towards them, it mainly boils down to religion!!


What is Racism

Racism is treating someone differently or unfairly simply because they belong to a different race or culture.

People can also experience prejudice because of their religion or nationality.

It is illegal to be treat people differently or unfairly because of their race and no one has the right to make you feel bad or abuse you.

What kinds of things do people do if they are being racist?

Racism takes many different forms. These can include:

Personal attacks of any kind, including violence
Written or verbal threats or insults
Damage to property, including graffiti.

People of different races can be the same religion. Discrimination of religious beliefs is often classed as racism, especially when aimed at the Jewish faith, this is because its directly linked to ethnicity. Also making an assumption that anyone of a South Asian descendency is a Muslim is common and also a racist comment. In the true definition of the words racism is discrimination due to race, religious discrimination is against religion. So in essence you're both correct and wrong.

I am not wrong, my degree in this field will back me up



The German Jews were killed by the German people they belonged to the same culture, they were killed for their beliefs, religion in this instance. I could provide a lot more examples...Attacks due to religion is racism I am definatley right.....Discriminating is when individuals are treated differently due to their religion, eg refused because of specific religion etc...Racism is an attack on a person eg violence, name calling etc.

Does calling someone thick count as a racist remark?.

Every-one has their limits

You said it!!.

No its not, racism is an attack on a person due to race, I could attack someone or call them a name and it not have any racist element at all. In essence your saying anyone convicted of GBH is a racist.

No I am not

re-read the post.

Racism is an attack (either physical, verbal etc) on a person due to race, religion or culture...(nothing to do with a fight due to god knows what)

Discrimination is treating some-body different due to either, gender, race, religion or cluture etc..

I am genuinley truly horrified people really do not know what racism really is.

So in essence you're saying that if I called a white english person who happened to be a jehovahs witness a name because of his beliefs I could be prosecuted for racism. I'm a white english man whos not a jehovahs witness by the way.

Correct. Very similar to what happened with the German Jews, lived in the same country, same skin colour..yet they were had to wear yellow stars in order that they could be identified, very racist indeed would you not agree, plus the rest is sadly history in that particular instance. Rwanda is another prime example of racism with a horrifying end.

I posted the link for childline, which basically is an aid to teach children, it is clear on there. Racism can be displayed due to race (skin colour), culture or religion etc.

Now if for example you were the landlord of a pub and you declared all whites apart from white jehovas witnesses could drink in your pub, that would be classed as discrimination on the grounds of religion...rascism is a personal attack on the jehovahs witness due to their beliefs.

Why? Just because you've got a degree in this field doesn't mean everyone has the same knowledge on the matter.
I don't really remember any specific schooling on racism at all. My schooling basically centred purely around 'races' and covered that racism was the belief that one race believes they are superior to another etc and not much more really.

These days it seems just about all sorts can be considered 'racist' even if not implied - esp names/slang. It's confusing. You can get certain races using certain words freely amongst themselves but if another race uses these words then it's suddenly racist/offensive. Same works for Jewish comedians and such (Holocaust jokes etc) ok for them, but not for others. Then you can get a certain football club who positively use an offensive term to describe themselves but if a rival fan uses this to describe them, then it's racist. The problem is, the more you hear these words/terms used the more diluted the historical significance of word becomes and eventually the words become more socially acceptable over time.

Fair comment which I take on board...however if people are unsure about what exactly it is why would they argue after being shown a link which clearly describes what it is. Areas like this are now covered in schools I think this is more so since we became more multi-cultural as a nation.
Many things happen in the guise of so called humour, each to their own as to whether they actually find the humour entertaining or not.

I may be in a minority here, but as with other players who have =#FF0000stuffed (MR) up, I always hope they can turn things around. Hopefully if Cockayne moves to a different town he'll get his head together. I understand KR fans who may hold opposite views to mine, but far too often fans seem to delight in lads (often not the brightest people in the world) messing up their lives when it relates to players not from their own clubs.

As well as any criminal punishment, it seems a lot of fans would be happy to see life bans handed out every time a player from another club messes up.

I doubt many fans will criticise Ben for his efforts in a Rovers shirt, he always gave 110%, but the game is in the spotlight with its profile on Sky and you can bet your last quid that we will get national publicity when stories are negative (as in drugs cases and Bens incident on CCTV) and as such players have to be a bit savvy when they are away from the club, which Ben had difficulty with. I believe the club acted correctly and I hope if he returns with anew club the fans will applaud him for his services on the field (once) and then let him get on with it, I hope we don't get the 'Charlie' chants though.

As for the second issue of players from other clubs, you are probably right that 'some' fans would wish all ills on opposition players, which is a bit silly, but most on here have been acceptable to the return of Hock and other such players carrying out indiscretions.

Sorry to go off topic but confirmed at Fev

No need to apologise Mr H!

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