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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Tbf, when we finished 4th we had the 4th lowest points against tally.
It's not his team selections that worry me so much. I can see there's a decent argument for Cook ahead of Netherton, for example, but realistically it wouldn't make a dramatic difference. Building pressure through a safety first approach with ball in hand, strong defence and good kick chase was successful but limited. Brown used it as a foundation at Hudds - we seemed content to rely almost solely on doing the basics well. And now we don't very often, so we're plop.
In mitigation... Mason would potentially, if it had worked out, have stiffened up our slightly flaccid pack. Our once excellent back three have to varying degrees lost their mojos. Dobson and Newton have been out for extended spells. It's one bad season - the important thing is that lessons are learned.'"
I think we've suffered heavily this year due to making a signing based on shirt sales rather than the need of the squad. The one thing we didn;t need was a 2nd rower yet we invested what must have been a large chunk of cap on one.
Was that Morgans fault?
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Really my mind must be going.
I always seem to remeber that we defsivly looked in the wrong place.
Well if i'm wrong i'm wrong so i'll hold my hands up.'"
Nah, we were pretty good defensively then, and in 2007. The problem was scoring points in the second half of games.
We certainly had a lot more pride and enthusiasm to bend our backs. The area where this has really gone is our goal line defence. If a team gets in our twenty metre area now, you can pretty much guarantee they'll score.
I can fully see and understand the reasons some fans are calling for Morgan's head. For me the two coaches muted as possible replacements in Kear and Noble are not the people to take us forward. If things are like this, this time next year then yes, he should go and give someone a full build up to September so they can get on with recruitment for 2013. Instead of going for an Australian assistant, how about a young enthusiastic up and coming British coach. Someone like Keiron Purtill at Bradford.
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| Quote ="gingerspice"That's fair enuf but it's the players that arnt consistent week in week out, one week play good next week play poop is that Morgans fault to, he picked the same team who beat hull the week before so u tell me why it was Morgans fault we got thrashed by Leeds, he can talk to em tell em to stick to game plans if they divert away from that then that's not morgans fault is it.'"
The buck stops with the coach.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"The buck stops with the coach.'"
U talk poop sometimes, I don't think getting rid of Morgan is the answer get rid of the deadwood
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| Quote ="gingerspice"U talk poop sometimes, I don't think getting rid of Morgan is the answer get rid of the deadwood'"
The 'deadwood' that he signed?? If he the got rid of the 'deadwood' who's to say he won't go out and sign even more 'deadwood'.
Oh and btw, u talk poop all the time
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| Quote ="gingerspice"So are u saying that teams don't make mistakes in players they sign that start of great and end up cr@p and are u sure it's only morgans choice and only morgans to sign these players Na I don't think so, ur poop is far worse than mine
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If i were you i'd just stick to the chat thread love
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"If i were you i'd just stick to the chat thread love
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No I ave my opinions and am allowed them ok
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| While JM has to take the blame for poor signings, it is also his duty to correct his errors. They've been few enough until lately, IMO, so I think he should be given the opportunity to do that. I think some changes to the balance of the squad would be a priority ahead of a change at the top, but I can see why people might hold the opposite view.
The thing is I don't think we'd get anybody dramatically better. Kear and Noble - quite like 'em both, and sometimes a change is good just to freshen things up. For now I'd stick with Morgan - if HKR don't win at least two in the Quins-WTW-Crusaders-SCR run of fixtures I'm liable to change my mind though.
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| Quote ="gingerspice"U talk poop sometimes, I don't think getting rid of Morgan is the answer get rid of the deadwood'" Sorry I disagree.
All but one of our players are 'his' if we have deadwood then JM has signed them.
No other coach in SL has been at a club as long as JM so other coaches could use that excuse JM can't.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Sorry I disagree.
All but one of our players are 'his' if we have deadwood then JM has signed them.
No other coach in SL has been at a club as long as JM so other coaches could use that excuse JM can't.'"
Yeah - Noble or Kear would at least be able to offer us more convincing excuses, if nothing else!
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Yeah - Noble or Kear would at least be able to offer us more convincing excuses, if nothing else!
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I can't believe some people actually think Noble or Kear would be a backward step. Both have outstanding records, though admittedly in differing circumstances.
Given the choice and if the situation arose, i'd take John Kear in a heartbeat.
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| tell u what cos u lot seem to like agar we will do u a straight swap for him
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"[uWhile JM has to take the blame for poor signings, it is also his duty to correct his errors. They've been few enough until lately, IMO, so I think he should be given the opportunity to do that.[/u I think some changes to the balance of the squad would be a priority ahead of a change at the top, but I can see why people might hold the opposite view.
The thing is I don't think we'd get anybody dramatically better. Kear and Noble - quite like 'em both, and sometimes a change is good just to freshen things up. For now I'd stick with Morgan - if HKR don't win at least two in the Quins-WTW-Crusaders-SCR run of fixtures I'm liable to change my mind though.'"
If only he would. When it comes to holding hands up and admitting player recruitment or tactics arent right he's as blind as Wenger at Arsenal.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"I can't believe some people actually think Noble or Kear would be a backward step. Both have outstanding records, though admittedly in differing circumstances.
Given the choice and if the situation arose, i'd take John Kear in a heartbeat.'"
Aye I agree. Lets tap up old dancing fingers.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"I can't believe some people actually think Noble or Kear would be a backward step. Both have outstanding records, though admittedly in differing circumstances.
Given the choice and if the situation arose, i'd take John Kear in a heartbeat.'"
I think Justin has done enough for his position not yet to be under threat, and should be given the chance to turn things around, although I feel both of those coaches would get the team performing more consistently towards the top of their game.
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| Quote ="gingerspice"[ I ave my opinions '"
Not `arf, your a woman, nuff said.
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| and the moral of the story is we all like winning and we are not winning and don't look like winning but you never know we might get to wembley let us
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"and the moral of the story is we all like winning and we are not winning and don't look like winning but you never know we might get to wembley let us
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Season ticket holder, followed for 30 years and im that confident we'll get to wembley I've booked a holiday to Portugal.
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| Quote ="barton baird"Not `arf, your a woman, nuff said.
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Hey what u trying to say
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| I still think a shake up is required. Due to his length of tenure, IMO Morgan has got comfortable at the club and the players have also got comfortable with him.
If we were to change the coach this would be a good thing as everybody will have to step up there game.
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| This is not intended as trolling, but an observation. Morgan has done an outstanding job at Rovers. His use in particular of overseas players has been excellent and particularly in the early days his tactical insight to work over opposition teams was really impressive. He's made some hard calls to offload players with time left on their contracts. I think he's not seen eye to eye with the board on a few key issues, though, being the retention of Cooke after their first big fall-out, but more recently the Mason debacle. IMO Mason was a signing driven not by the coach but by the commercial department, and Morgan gives the impression he likes to be in absolute control of his squad. This season his overt energy and commitment seem a notch or two lower than in previous seasons. I think the two points are linked. To use a Peter Sharpism, he seems to have lost his mojo a bit.
If I were a Rovers fan, I'd be disappointed, but reasonably ambivalent about losing Morgan as he's probably ready for a new challenge, but would be more concerned about who, if anyone, could end up following him playerwise. Given that his only 2 signings so far are 2011's most cited scapegoats, Netherton and Hodgson, maybe he's going early on an Agent Morgan mission for Wigan/Cas/whoever he's linked with next.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"This is not intended as trolling, but an observation. Morgan has done an outstanding job at Rovers. His use in particular of overseas players has been excellent and particularly in the early days his tactical insight to work over opposition teams was really impressive. He's made some hard calls to offload players with time left on their contracts. I think he's not seen eye to eye with the board on a few key issues, though, being the retention of Cooke after their first big fall-out, but more recently the Mason debacle. IMO Mason was a signing driven not by the coach but by the commercial department, and Morgan gives the impression he likes to be in absolute control of his squad. This season his overt energy and commitment seem a notch or two lower than in previous seasons. I think the two points are linked. To use a Peter Sharpism, he seems to have lost his mojo a bit.
If I were a Rovers fan, I'd be disappointed, but reasonably ambivalent about losing Morgan as he's probably ready for a new challenge, but would be more concerned about who, if anyone, could end up following him playerwise. Given that his only 2 signings so far are 2011's most cited scapegoats, Netherton and Hodgson, maybe he's going early on an Agent Morgan mission for Wigan/Cas/whoever he's linked with next.
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i think you have it spot on!! can't see him moving on, as he is not setting the world alight this season, it's hard to think who would want him
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"This is not intended as trolling, but an observation. Morgan has done an outstanding job at Rovers. His use in particular of overseas players has been excellent and particularly in the early days his tactical insight to work over opposition teams was really impressive. He's made some hard calls to offload players with time left on their contracts. I think he's not seen eye to eye with the board on a few key issues, though, being the retention of Cooke after their first big fall-out, but more recently the Mason debacle. IMO Mason was a signing driven not by the coach but by the commercial department, and Morgan gives the impression he likes to be in absolute control of his squad. This season his overt energy and commitment seem a notch or two lower than in previous seasons. I think the two points are linked. To use a Peter Sharpism, he seems to have lost his mojo a bit.
If I were a Rovers fan, I'd be disappointed, but reasonably ambivalent about losing Morgan as he's probably ready for a new challenge, but would be more concerned about who, if anyone, could end up following him playerwise. Given that his only 2 signings so far are 2011's most cited scapegoats, Netherton and Hodgson, maybe he's going early on an Agent Morgan mission for Wigan/Cas/whoever he's linked with next.
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personally think thats a load of =#FF0000Edit-RW, you seem much more credible when your talking about balance sheets than you ever do when you try the rugby theories
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