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| To me then, that is not a racial tirade. I don't believe that saying what he did makes him necessarily a racist.
Let's face it, Ben is hardly the wisest head and if you show me someone who claims that anyone who has ever used that word is a racist, I'll show you a liar.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Condeming a racist thug is not adopting a holier than thou attitude...'" But laying into anyone who dares to disagree with you as you have done in this thread is.
TBH it doesn't matter if you like it or not but diving off the deep end like you have done and using the whole 'I was brought up on North Hull' as some kind of badge of honour is quite frankly cringeworthy.
Oh and BTW I lived in Illthorpe and Clanthorpe, My mother still lives down Clanthorpe and I have infact been to see her today.
I would never use that as an excuse for abuse though.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"But laying into anyone who dares to disagree with you as you have done in this thread is.
TBH it doesn't matter if you like it or not but diving off the deep end like you have done and using the whole 'I was brought up on North Hull' as some kind of badge of honour is quite frankly cringeworthy.
Oh and BTW I lived in Illthorpe and Clanthorpe, My mother still lives down Clanthorpe and I have infact been to see her today.
I would never use that as an excuse for abuse though.'"
I was brought up on OPE, so can i play??
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"I was brought up on OPE, so can i play??
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But only is you were brought up in the posh part (Brick houses)
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| I was brought up in Aldbrough, not sure what that means.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Apparently.
But only is you were brought up in the posh part (Brick houses)
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Oh that's me out then.
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"To me then, that is not a racial tirade. I don't believe that saying what he did makes him necessarily a racist.
Let's face it, Ben is hardly the wisest head and if you show me someone who claims that anyone who has ever used that word is a racist, I'll show you a liar.'"
Don't think anybody called it a tirade - it was a racist comment. You may be correct that BC is not racist, indeed he has denied it. However, some of the other stuff apparently on his fb page would not exactly be mitigating.
As for him not being the wisest, is stupidity a legitimate defence?
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Oh that's me out then.
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Anyway back on topic please.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Shame.
Anyway back on topic please.
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Which topic??
The racist thug one, the motm on Sunday one or the deserving of a new contract one??
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| Quote ="pmh"I was brought up in Aldbrough, not sure what that means.'"
It probably means your birthplace is now underwater.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Which topic??
The racist thug one, the motm on Sunday one or the deserving of a new contract one??'"
He is a.utility player after all!
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Don't think anybody called it a tirade - it was a racist comment. You may be correct that BC is not racist, indeed he has denied it. However, some of the other stuff apparently on his fb page would not exactly be mitigating.
As for him not being the wisest, is stupidity a legitimate defence?'"
The way some people portray it, it's an hysterical rant!
And whilst stupidity may not be a defence for racism, it does offer some explanation as to why a non-racist would use such language.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"But laying into anyone who dares to disagree with you as you have done in this thread is.
TBH it doesn't matter if you like it or not but diving off the deep end like you have done and using the whole 'I was brought up on [uNorth Hull' as some kind of badge of honour is quite frankly cringeworthy.[/u
Oh and BTW I lived in Illthorpe and Clanthorpe, My mother still lives down Clanthorpe and I have infact been to see her today.
I would never use that as an excuse for abuse though.'"
What on earth are you on about ?..SR implied I should get some life experience and education, I replied that I was educated and was also raised on a council estate which offers life experience from the diverse set of people!
Badge of honour...Oh dear I have not gone off the deep end I have criticised people who defend a racist thug..
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"The way some people portray it, it's an hysterical rant!
And whilst stupidity may not be a defence for racism, it does offer some explanation as to why a non-racist would use such language.'"
How can he be a non-racist, you did see all the racist groups he openly joined on Facebook did you not ?
Like mentioned ignorance is no excuse for displaying racism especially not when you are 27 yrs old.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"What on earth are you on about ?..SR implied I should get some life experience and education, I replied that I was educated and was also raised on a council estate which offers life experience from the diverse set of people!
Badge of honour...Oh dear
I have not gone off the deep end I have criticised people who defend a racist thug..'"
Or put another way, abused somebody because their opinion wasn't what you wanted to hear. Anyway back on topic Charlie anyone?
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"How can he be a non-racist, you did see all the racist groups he openly joined on Facebook did you not ?
Like mentioned ignorance is no excuse for displaying racism especially not when you are 27 yrs old.'"
I'm not sure Facebook permits racist groups but seeing as you know better, pray tell what they were.
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| Quote ="Dudley"Or put another way, abused somebody because their opinion wasn't what you wanted to hear. Anyway back on topic Charlie anyone?'"
I tell some-one imo their morals and values are in the gutter and you consider that abuse...yet you are quite happy for [iCharlie[/i who is a racist thug to get another contract...Priceless
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I tell some-one imo their morals and values are in the gutter and you consider that abuse...yet you are quite happy for [iCharlie[/i who is a racist thug to get another contract...Priceless
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As I said I stand by the boards decision, whatever they think appropriate. You seem tetchy at my use of the name Charlie, I take it you read the title of the thread before starting your rantathon.
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| Quote ="Dudley"[uAs I said I stand by the boards decision[/u, whatever they think appropriate. You seem tetchy at my use of the name Charlie, I take it you read the title of the thread before starting your rantathon.'"
Ranathon ...Mmm clearly some of you are upset that I have such strong feelings regarding a racist thug to the point of some even deciding he may not be a racist aferall ... you just carry on telling the youngsters it is alrightt to chant Charlie Charlie because Hudge said so.
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"You are yet to back up your allegation of racist groups'"
EDL iirc.
Got caught up in an EDL march coming out of Victoria station a couple of months ago, whichever way we turned they always seemed to be right behind us, it appeared that we were leading the march.
Thought I was going to end up on some sort of watch list. Ducked into a shop to escape, this turned out to be an establishment selling second hand jazz mags. Out of the frying pan...
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"You are yet to back up your allegation of racist groups'"
The Hull Daily Mail showed some screenshots from Cockayne's Facebook page.
"Religious views: hang/burn the extremists then off with there stinking ugly heads"
"Political views: british jobs british folk, block up the channel tunnel"
Give me an hour or so II am at work), and I will get the link if I can.
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"It probably means your birthplace is now underwater.'"
Bad news that, hope my mum hasn't drowned, she's not the best swimmer.
Maybe Cockayne could rescue her, restore his reputation.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"The Hull Daily Mail showed some screenshots from Cockayne's Facebook page.
"Religious views: hang/burn the extremists then off with there stinking ugly heads"
"Political views: british jobs british folk, block up the channel tunnel"
Give me an hour or so II am at work), and I will get the link if I can.'"
Not seen it but it wouldn't overly surprise me,
Playing devils advocate I could say talk of hanging extremsts is not in itself racist, assuming all people of a certain race to be extremist is.
I would have also thought that the term British Jobs for British folk is also not racist, assuming all british folk are white and of the same race is.
Blocking the tunnel is not racist, merely a comment on control of illegal immigration.
These are all generally views portrayed by one or other of the major 3 political parties in the uk.
As I said I am playing devils advocate and have no doubt anyone who uses language like he did has at best mild racist views and at worst is a member of the ayrian brotherhood.
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| Quote ="barham red"Not seen it but it wouldn't overly surprise me,
Playing devils advocate I could say talk of hanging extremsts is not in itself racist, assuming all people of a certain race to be extremist is.
I would have also thought that the term British Jobs for British folk is also not racist, assuming all british folk are white and of the same race is.
Blocking the tunnel is not racist, merely a comment on control of illegal immigration.
These are all generally views portrayed by one or other of the major 3 political parties in the uk.
As I said I am playing devils advocate and have no doubt anyone who uses language like he did has at best mild racist views and at worst is a member of the ayrian brotherhood.'"
Not sure I agree with you there BR, when coupled with his comments it kind of gives a very dim picture. We also know that not all British folk are white and we are very much a multicultural nation, I maybe wrong but for me a racist is a racist there is no middle ground, mind you do doubt you have figured that one out, in my defence I am just as passionate about homophobic behaviour as well,
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