Do these FC muppets believe Salford, Wakey and cas (should they all get new grounds) will have absolutely no tax/ratepayers money involved. FC and City have benefitted well out of the flotation money and East Hull has largely been ignored (ok, technically the deep is in East Hull, but its really a city centre project that doesn't benefit the east in any way). As a tax payer, I dont expect the council to build us a brand new ground, but a part investment in a north stand that includes worthwhile community use is not much to ask.

Hull FC & Hull City have a stadium in West, that’s West... Park?! Hull Kingston Rovers are based in East Hull, end of. It’s barmy that anyone ever expected HKR to play there week in week out.

I don't know exactly what Rovers/the fans petition are/is asking for but for me its not an entire new stadium, one new stand would do and it could be built to include facilities like the KC has provided its local community with but on a smaller scale.

I’d like the council to give Rovers a helping hand, not a fantastic brand new stadium and facilities but just some help to provide better facilities.

As for it being only 7000 surly that would only be true if the average gate was 4/5000. Before Rovers fans be accused of all ‘coming out of the woodwork’ once in Super league, same in every sport and for every team, and I’d expect the crowds to go up again with better facilities.

The statement that FC pay a "peppercorn" rent is one of the most ill-informed and unintentionally ironic comments I've ever seen on here



Here's the deal. Lakin promised the RFL it was all systems go on the stadium planning and funding wise, and said the whole 14,000 capacity stadium would be ready for business by Feb 2010. Rovers have lost at least £900k since then and have been unable to secure the funding to fulfil their commitment. Hudgell has therefore been on the offensive trying to strong arm the council into bankrolling commitments he and Rovers made to the RFL two and a half years ago. The council will probably put some money in, but they might be wary given that they also assisted the Hull Stingrays over a long period of time who were loss-making and ultimately had an unsustainable business model.

I don't want a brand new stadium , a fruitball stadium , the KC is a lovely stadium no doubt , but these new stadiums lack atmosphere in my opinion , i wouldn't swap Craven Park for the world the atmosphere when the East stand are in full voice is awesome , these new seated stadiums kill that .

Regardless of the bickering and cheap digs by the FC fans , Rovers are in Sl and we are here to stay ,our franchise is secure , we are progressing slowly but surely , our ground is by no means perfect we all know that, but it is HOME !!!, we are where we are on passion ,commitment , belief and most of all merit , i love Craven Park , i love Rovers and i love that the Hull fans hate the fact we are in SL and that ain't gonna change , they had their chance to bury us and they failed miserably ... Rally Round !!!!!!!

Are you related to Kevin Keegan?

Another hair role model for you. You'd need a perm to emulate his perfect early 80s look though. And an hour of backcombing.

No i'm just proud & passionate about my club.

Driving down preston road the other day I couldn't believe how much money has been spent knocking down council houses, landscaping and building shiny new buildings for the deprived communities of east hull. I also see they're building some monstrosity of a school which will, I'm sure, greatly imprve educational standards before they close it and knock it down in 2017.

I don't really believe that anyone thinks more money should be pumped into the area purely because rovers can't afford a new stand.

Wasn't the land the current ground is on sold to the club at massively under market value because the club couldn't afford to buy the land otherwise?

Didn't the council lift the restrictive covenant allowing rovers to sell some of the land to ease their financial worries a few years back?

Didn't the council buy the stadium from rovers to stop them folding?

Didn't the council lease back the stadium to gaingroup at a peppercorn rent, a rent which has been passed on to rover meaning they have no stadium costs other than upkeep?

Didn't the council sell rovers the old greatfield school for a pittance?

Don't Hull FC pay in excess of £1/2m a year to play at the KC and they receive next to nothing from bar and refreshment sales on match days?

Amazing that it's universally accepted that the KC on derby day has an atmosphere better than anything seen in east hull since VE day

But apart from that, what have the council ever done for Rovers/East Hull?

Quality

Hypothetically, would you swap the benefits of the KC for a similar level of 'subsidy'?

While Hull pay good rent, isn't it tapered/crowd dependent so that the risk was loaded on to the stadium company/council? That could be wrong, but I'm sure I read it somewhere.

Now of course, Rovers could have/(still?), get the same deal, but would Hull fans have accepted playing in the east? Mind, as most of them are from east Hull, probably. Would have been the best location with hindsight, unless the Tigers' fans are 90% west Hull.

Nope, I probably wouldn't, but then again I'm not the one claiming that the council has done nothing for east hull or rovers when that obviously isn't true. I've also always thought that the tradeoff of paying a chunk of money to the SMC was well worth it given what we are getting in return.

Regarding the rent, IIRC it was originally set at a certian percentage of gate sales over a specified figure. That figure was derived from historical attenances at the Boulevard. So, if the crowds ever dropped below a set figure we'd be paying nothing, if (as happened, damn those glory hunters

) the crowds went up we'd pay proportionatly more. There have been rumours that the agreement has been renegotiated since the original one, so I;ve no idea if that is still how it works.

As for the East/West thing, I'm pretty sure that sites were looked at in the East, Sutton Fields keeps getting mentioned (that would have suited me, almost staggering distance), Also the east/west divide is probably not as relevant today as it once was, and finally, wouldnt Rovers be returning to their really really historical side of the city if they moved west.

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What relevance has Stan outing himself as a tranny got to do with the statement you provided?
Oops sorry its not Stan its Lorreta

Would have been a winner if only you'd picked the right scene. Still.............



Always look on the bright side of life.

You can have a stadium that costs more and is more superior to the KC as far as I'm concerned.

1 penny of my council tax money goes into it tho and I'll see that the local authority are taken to the cleaners by the press and the Government.

This would also be the case of the same happened to money from the authority invested in the KC.

BTW no sourness here mate, think you'll find the only sour people are each and everyone who signed a pathetic petition



Why not get each of your fans to donate £1 each, you'll have about £8 million then wouldn't you according to some in here saying how many fans you have

I'm sometimes guilty of laughing at my own jokes too.



Those are jokes.......right?

As a council tax payer in Hedon,how much of your ERYCC tax would be put towards the facilities that you are asking for?
East Hull has had the lions share of any centrally funded money for years,Prescott saw to that.Now you are asking the council to help fund a business that struggles from one year to the next.
As far as I am concerned,if HCC decides to bail you lot out again, then that means they have far to much cash spare and I for one will be asking why the bills are so high when they can make dodgy investments in a private company that is not run that competently.

Which ever way you look at it FC and City as clubs have gained massively from the King Comms share boom bonanza….. sale, and the KC is great, it’s brought high profile music events and Premiership football (arguably) to Hull.
Rovers did not benefit massively from it, and before it’s mentioned again, HKR playing at the KC was never going to happen.

The fans of Rovers aren't asking for a mini KC, it’s a helping hand in providing better facilities that to be honest FC fans complain more than anyone we haven’t currently got!!

As for the highlighted points in your post, do you even remember the Gateshead merger and why it came about?!! FC hardly got to where they are today completely on their own merit.

Have you even read Jake The Peg's post? Rovers have had plenty of public funding in the same way that Hull Stingrays did. If the council paid for stadium extensions and crowds did not materially increase, the investment would represent very poor value for money. Remember how much passes are going to cost for 2012 and the current gloomy environment and it's fair to say that materially and consistently increasing crowds by more than 20% is very challenging.

How much money do we estimate Rovers have received from the public purse in effective subsidy over the last 25-30 years? Gordon Gekko mentioned hundreds of thousands of pounds. Not to be sniffed at, but still two orders of magnitude (sorry, I'm scientist - I say 'decant' instead of 'pour', on occasion as well) less than the £40 m spent on the KC (for FC and City - and as I'm not engaged in advocacy potentially Hull KR). The issue isn't so much how often help has been handed out, but how much.

The aquaduct?

Or, the point is that Rovers can't fulfil the commitments they made 2 years ago and are now trying to leverage the fact that the council used a windfall to build a stadium in the city to get them to fund another one. Despite the fact that Rovers wanted to go it alone when offered a place at said stadium. And that the council have funded the Stingrays, a company that was loss-making with an non self-sufficient business model and that now looks a poor commercial decision.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, the offer of playing in West Hull would have been the last nail in the coffin for Rovers in 2002/03. We might as well have ground-shared with York, it would have been more palatable to the faithful then.

If the KC had been built on Holderness Road, would FC have taken up an offer to play there?