Ah but no one mentioned first choice props, the poster I was replying to claimed that he wouldn't swap any of your props for Moa.

You are right, i wouldn't. He is useless

Ahead of O'Meley, Lauaki, Moa and Radford. No chance.

Don't get me wrong Wheeldon is a decent Superleague prop, but decent is all he will ever be.

lauaki and radford are make shift front rowers (spent most time at 2nd row), moa play 10 mins each half.
yes i would put scott in before the above mentioned players.

you have a patch work squad full of $hite.

Look think what you like about Moa, but he is alot more than a 10 minute prop. He has slimmed off alot this off season and I expect him to play 40 minutes plus regularly. He played 60 minutes v Donny without his standards dropping (yes I know it's only Donny but all the same). Good defender for a man of his size who always hits hard, runs his considerable weight and has developed a good offload. I along with many Hull fans expect big things this season.

So you are saying that Moa wouldn't get infront of our starting props.
We agree on that then.

Not at all. Vella is a has been, Clinton couldn't break his way out of a paper bag, Mason is obviously a class player but he needs to be in the country first. tbf I am a fan of Lovegrove though.

He is, his low minutes, lack of stamina and general poor levels of fitness are testement to this

put the cap back on the permanent marker pen. fat sam is no where near the quality of vella or clinton. your club will never progress when you chase the players of cusack's calibre.

You're wrong about Vella, covers, directs and defends all over the park. Despite what a lot of Rovers fans say, he had a good season last year, mainly because we didn't flog him to death as in previous years. That was because of Clinton who was very good, ties a lot of players up and is a really intelligent prop who has a decent pass on him as opposed to just barging the ball up the middle.

I'm going to go against the grain and say I'd take Moa, lacks agility in defence but can certainly draw three or four defenders into the tackle and as you've previously said has an offload game that he seems to be developing well. When it looked like you weren't going to offer him a contract at the end of 2009, I'd have been more than happy for us to sign him.

Moa is a pretty good impact prop with an excellent offload. Wasted at FC as we always look surprised when he does this, despite it happening every other carry.

36-6. They're lookng underdone we're looking great. There said it.

I didn't think the thread could go downhill after the op, how wrong was I.

How the hell is Hull FC stronger in the pack then Rovers, Fatter maybe.

Man for man we are faster more skillful and stronger, yes you have one or two ok players and a good one but overall your pack was owned by ours ask Scott Murrell.

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Your not very bright then are you

I agree he will play 40 minutes over the season 60 is pushing it

and then for the 25th season on the bounce won zilch,jack,diddly-squat,nothing,zero,nowt etcetera etcetera ps.don't embarras yourselves and mention trophies without wigan or leeds involved

I expect Rovers will beat FC comfortably for the simple reason Rovers are a far better side than FC.

Only the "derby factor" may affect the fact it may be a close game.

No, they're not and you can't prove they are.

Whereas you can prove they're not?

You can't prove it either way. It's a new season with new players on each team.

If based on the last year, there are more points in FC's favour than KR's ( higher league placing, won 3/4 head to heads).

However, like I said, it's a new season, slightly different teams, and hopefully new tactics, so it's too early to say.
If I had to, based on ideal starting 17's, I'd say that they're pretty close, but we all know the effects that injuries etc can have.

Are we still counting friendlys then?