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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Can I just ask if Rovers fans would be happy to have Allam involved with their club?'"
I would be happy if he came on board
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| Quote ="Bet Lynch"But we are a bigger club and more superior.'"
She shoots from the half way line...
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Better buy a pass quick then'"
I will, when they go on sale!
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Can I just ask if Rovers fans would be happy to have Allam involved with their club?'"
Yes, why not!
I think his son will be the front man.
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| Reet - likely outcomes of 'crunch talks'. Not like they won't have chatted about it informally, of course.
Can't see the Allam's riding in to save the day - they've surely got plenty on their plate with Hull City.
On the other hand, I doubt we're on the verge of going pop, though as long as you're dependent on benefactors, by definition your fortunes depend on their's.
SL has two structurally big clubs - Wigan and Leeds. With Eamon 'To Big to Fail' McManus (I'm still in a grump about lie-censing) Saints have bridged the gap. After that, it's possible to get there, but it needs big investment year after year. We can hope for that, but while we're waiting let's preserve and enjoy the progress that has been made.
Unless they're planning emergency swingeing cuts to the squad, as it stands the team for next year looks pretty good. Bit thin on experience perhaps, but hardly cutting to the bone.
It'll be interesting to see their plans. Since the huge success of get up-stay up-consolidate-compete, they've had a bit of the 'difficult second album syndrome'. They tried to go big with the Mason signing, but with the benefit of hindsight, I now want to see a more gradualist approach. Or Allam on a massive spending spree - either is good.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Reet - likely outcomes of 'crunch talks'. Not like they won't have chatted about it informally, of course.
Can't see the Allam's riding in to save the day - they've surely got plenty on their plate with Hull City.
On the other hand, I doubt we're on the verge of going pop, though as long as you're dependent on benefactors, by definition your fortunes depend on their's.
SL has two structurally big clubs - Wigan and Leeds. With Eamon 'To Big to Fail' McManus (I'm still in a grump about lie-censing) Saints have bridged the gap. After that, it's possible to get there, but it needs big investment year after year. We can hope for that, but while we're waiting let's preserve and enjoy the progress that has been made.
[uUnless they're planning emergency swingeing cuts to the squad,[/u as it stands the team for next year looks pretty good. Bit thin on experience perhaps, but hardly cutting to the bone.
It'll be interesting to see their plans. Since the huge success of get up-stay up-consolidate-compete, they've had a bit of the 'difficult second album syndrome'. They tried to go big with the Mason signing, but with the benefit of hindsight, I now want to see a more gradualist approach. Or Allam on a massive spending spree - either is good.
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I reckon that one
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| Hate to say this but I agree with the Barista, I think this is just a set em up prelude to an announcement that may be unpopular (or popular depending on your stand point).
It'll either be a big pass price hike, an Allam on white charger or no further signings.
I find it difficult to believe that a club that only a week or 2 ago announced the sponsorship of the new stand to this week need crunch talks about going pop (slightly dramatic paraphrasing I know). Watch this space.
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| The [most unlikely outcome of the crunch-talks:
NH – Mike, is the Remington working?
MS (flexing his fingers and popping a few knuckles) – Yes, Boss.
NH – First on the agenda. Let’s toast the sale of Blake, Scott and Dobbo – Mike you can just type [size=150kerrrching[/size. That’s £350,000 in the coffers Rob, and we have saved our pockets another £350,000 on the salary cap. We are making progress at last.
MS - . . .how do you spell kerrrching?
NH (deep sigh) – Next on the agenda, AOB. and for the sake of Mike its A.....O.....B.
MS – Yes, Boss. What about the North Stand, season tickets, shirt promotions, Allam’s loan, the academy, the South stand, the east stand terracing, and the price of a pint!
RC – Crickey! By the time you’ve typed all that Mike you’ll need a pint! Meeting closed.
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| Having read the article I'm not reading it as all doom and gloom. Maybe a statement of reality from the incumbents who are trying to make the books balance, especially in light of not achieving the same on field performance as earlier years. Recurring financial losses are not sustainable for many, unless you are of an Abramovich inkling.
I've every confidence this will work out well in the end for you all. You'll be back next year. With the new stand it will hopefully boost gate revenue as well.
Best of luck and I'm sure it'll work out in the end.
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| Allam revealed his hand during the KC debacle. The council called his bluff.
Prior to this, he had talked about the two RL clubs in one City and surely they should merge to become stronger.
The council don't trust him and although I don't know him from Sadam, I wouldn't say I'd like him at Rovers.
If he was to take a leading role @ Rovers, what he would gain is unclear (apart from a spanking new squash facility in east Hull). Like AP, ultimately he is a business man with no real background of RL. Having these two in charge of both RL clubs in Hull, certainly opens the doors to the ever continuing conspiracy theories, esp against the back drop of his KC aspirations.
Hudgell's comments - take your pick
[listThe quarterly plea/moan/publicity for more funding
The cushion before the announcement of changes at the top
We're in trouble[/list:u
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| Quote ="Bet Lynch"But we are a bigger club and more superior.'"
Impeccable timing Bet, Brilliant !!!
Laughing MAOH
and your quick fire apology post makes it even funnier, ......lol
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| Not read through all of this but
Could this be Rovers way of waiting to see what happens with Bradford? If Bradford get reinstated into SL, Rovers then go into liquidation before being taken over by a "Newco" and losing all their debts and then siting the Bradford situation as setting a precedence they get readmitted to the SL debt free. Be daft to sell passes etc if they were going to go down this route as it would be money lost.
I know it is a cynical view but if Bradford are admitted back into the top tier I don't see what the downsides are for clubs with debts to go down the same route.
Just playing a bit of devils advocate
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| I hope it is just a bit of posturing before a more positive announcement. I really enjoy the derby matches and the rivalry in general and too many of my mates/family love Rovers.
I would hate anything [itoo[/i bad to happen to you lot.
There i said it *goes to get showered*
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Can I just ask if Rovers fans would be happy to have Allam involved with their club?'"
Personally I can't see the Allams riding to our rescue, what's in it for them? There's no money to make in rugby so what would they get out of it? It's not like there fans is it.
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| I think the game needs shaking up from the top down, otherwise a lot of clubs could find themselves in bother - and how long will Sky hang around with the game in turmoil?
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| Quote ="hullbg"Not read through all of this but
Could this be Rovers way of waiting to see what happens with Bradford? If Bradford get reinstated into SL, Rovers then go into liquidation before being taken over by a "Newco" and losing all their debts and then siting the Bradford situation as setting a precedence they get readmitted to the SL debt free. Be daft to sell passes etc if they were going to go down this route as it would be money lost.
I know it is a cynical view but if Bradford are admitted back into the top tier I don't see what the downsides are for clubs with debts to go down the same route.
Just playing a bit of devils advocate
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Our debts are either to our directors or underwritten by them. It isn't just a case of hiding from the taxman and taking the 6 point deduction.
I reckon NH and RC would sell me the club for £1 if I had a plan and bank balance that would allow me to take the club forward. The problem isn't debt so much as ongoing losses, which under the current strategy and in the current climate can, I think it is fair to say, be described as structural.
We can't spend the cap on crowds of approx 8k and break even. People talk, with some justification, about failure to generate maximum revenue through merchandise and the lottery and so on. But even if that was more fully optimised it'd only nibble round the edges really - definately not a reason to stop working on it, every little helps, but our core business is rugby not retail.
Basically new management would be faced with the same problems. As they are at Bradford in fact, but there's nowt like a near death experience to make you appreciate what you've got. Wakefield look stronger and happier than they have for a while and not so long ago they were in the poop.
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| After reading the hull daily rag and every thing on hear, I do think that allam will join rovers with hudge and crossland,whats in it for allam you say the land near rovers IE a hotel and sports ground to name a couple of things help to keep rovers going in s league and he can invest can he not
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| With all due respect to the people who live around there, what would be the point of a hotel?
There's a great big Premier Inn a couple of miles up the road for anyone travelling to east Hull or Holderness for business.
What sports stadium is Hull lacking?
There's the ice arena for hockey, the KC for Hull, City and major sporting events, Costello for athletics, Craven Park for us and numerous council facilities where Allam can play squash if he's that stuck for a court.
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| Quote ="Sandra The Terrorist"With all due respect to the people who live around there, what would be the point of a hotel?
There's a great big Premier Inn a couple of miles up the road for anyone travelling to east Hull or Holderness for business.
What sports stadium is Hull lacking?
There's the ice arena for hockey, the KC for Hull, City and major sporting events, Costello for athletics, Craven Park for us and numerous council facilities where Allam can play squash if he's that stuck for a court.'"
Hotel - no idea on the viability given that the council own CP. Some suggested it was to corner the 'renewables boom' if/when that happens. If a road to Hedon Rd ever materialised - I guess it's an option.
During the tit for tat HCC vs Allam saga - they banned him from Woodford ...
Hull needs a monorail.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Our debts are either to our directors or underwritten by them. It isn't just a case of hiding from the taxman and taking the 6 point deduction.
I reckon NH and RC would sell me the club for £1 if I had a plan and bank balance that would allow me to take the club forward. The problem isn't debt so much as ongoing losses, which under the current strategy and in the current climate can, I think it is fair to say, be described as structural.
We can't spend the cap on crowds of approx 8k and break even. People talk, with some justification, about failure to generate maximum revenue through merchandise and the lottery and so on. But even if that was more fully optimised it'd only nibble round the edges really - definately not a reason to stop working on it, every little helps, but our core business is rugby not retail.
Basically new management would be faced with the same problems. As they are at Bradford in fact, but there's nowt like a near death experience to make you appreciate what you've got. Wakefield look stronger and happier than they have for a while and not so long ago they were in the poop.'"
Fair enough MR, just something that was floating about in the tin can i call my brain
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| Quote ="☺East-Sard☺"Hotel - no idea on the viability given that the council own CP. Some suggested it was to corner the 'renewables boom' if/when that happens. If a road to Hedon Rd ever materialised - I guess it's an option.
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Ah, yes, I forgot you're getting all those big windmills. Old Mother Terrorist is reet cross about that, good nimby that she is.
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During the tit for tat HCC vs Allam saga - they banned him from Woodford ...
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I feel his pain, I used to love that wave machine in the eighties.
And yes, a monorail, that would be good, needs to be on big stilts though.
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| Not sure why but I keep humming we can see you sneaking out...
To be fair to Hudge, the people that run rugby league are a joke and I have a feeling that this is designed to put some pressure on the Bradford problem. This year the refs, disciplinary panel and administration should all take a long hard look and see what they have achieved this year.
Stobart truck for Hudgell?
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| Quote ="Sandra The Terrorist"Ah, yes, I forgot you're getting all those big windmills. Old Mother Terrorist is reet cross about that, good nimby that she is.
I feel his pain, I used to love that wave machine in the eighties.
And yes, a monorail, that would be good, needs to be on big stilts though.'"
Every swimming pool should have a wave machine including the Olympics. I bet the one @ Catalans does.
I remember HDM running a story on Hull's proposed monorail. If only ...
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| Quote ="jimmys sidestep"I hope it is just a bit of posturing before a more positive announcement. I really enjoy the derby matches and the rivalry in general and too many of my mates/family love Rovers.
I would hate anything [itoo[/i bad to happen to you lot.
There i said it *goes to get showered*'"
Prob one of the only quotes I agree with on this thread...
Love the derby's just hate loosing in them
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| Things seem to be going from bad to worse lets hope the boarding up company arnt waiting in the wings. So much for consolidation. No doubt all the Rovers fans i get in my taxi will be blaming this on Colin Hutton as well.
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