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| Quote ="tonylRobin"Anyone who doesnt like the idea of this money being spent in this way should take it up with the NHS, not Rovers.'"
What's the North Stand got to do with the NHS?
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| Quote ="barham red"Surely theres a flip side to the arguement that it will generate work for builders, electricians and the associated infrastructure. Once the 'hub' is in place it will also generate jobs and investment in the city.'"
Which would be great if they employed local builders, electricians etc but as we saw in the floods most of the workers were from out of town.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Where did you get that info from? The article states that the council will meet 4.2m of the bill but will look to reduce that through euro funding.
If it is a loan as you suggest then what kind of favourable agreement will that loan cover? That in itself is still a handout. I'm yet to see evidence though that this is a loan and not a grant.'"
From the council meeting itself. I think if you ask nicely they will relay the information to your goodself aswell
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Where did you get that info from? The article states that the council will meet 4.2m of the bill but will look to reduce that through euro funding.
If it is a loan as you suggest then what kind of favourable agreement will that loan cover? That in itself is still a handout. I'm yet to see evidence though that this is a loan and not a grant.'"
The council effectively acts as a guarantor, so it can't really be characterized as a hand-out.
Quote ="SirStan"I hope it is a grant and not a loan. I would prefer to see my fellow Rovers fans take a bit of banter/stick rather than have the club saddled with more debt!'"
So would I, but that'd be a hard sell. Costs will be shared with two other partners though. And there is an European Regional Development Fund grant application too.
Quote ="SirStan"What's the North Stand got to do with the NHS?'"
This is, technically, the East Stand thread. So much progress, it can get confusing.
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| Quote ="SirStan"What's the North Stand got to do with the NHS?'"
this thread is about the East stand extension, hence the "funding released for the East stand extension" title, does my post even mention the North Stand?
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| =#FF0000Just to avoid confusion, East stand this thread, North stand in the other. please.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Wasn't that the role of Yorkshire Forward?
The "hub" is a load of bollox. It's free operational infrastructure for a private limited company that the council have bailed once already by buying back NCP and which is not a going concern without directors underwriting it's losses. See the handout for what it is. Fantastic negotiation all round to get £4m of your money into a facility that in reality will be used for 30 odd hours a year. Enterprise hub my @rse.
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Not really the role of Yorkshire forward was to attract businesses to set up in the area and it turned quickly into a quango embroiled in red tape. I'm not dismissing the fact this is a 'handout', what I am saying is that it will generate a short term gain in local industry as it has to be built and possibly a few jobs long term with whatever the facility is used for.
This funding is in no way related to the job losses at the council which will take place regardless of whether the new stand is built or not. The government has decided to cut back on civil servants and quango's as it sees them as non value adding.
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| Quote ="tonylRobin"this thread is about the East stand extension, hence the "funding released for the East stand extension" title, does my post even mention the North Stand?'"
Keep your hair on, I was mis-lead by the thread drift into the other end of the ground!
Sort it out Rovers, too much re-development work for us to keep up! Stands at Craven Park are like buses, you wait 3 years and nowt, then they all appear at once! (The bus analogy can end there)
Soz Tony!
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Good call Aldy, you should play here more often. Fire with Fire and all that!
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Good call Aldy, you should play here more often. Fire with Fire and all that!
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"Great that you are finally getting a new stand but I echo whats already been said on here about the economic climate at the moment. My husband will be pleased that he has a 2 year pay freeze and the threat of redundancy hanging over his head but the Council are using £4.2m of public money that could possibly save some redundancies and give HCC workers their 2% cost of living rise for this year. Its just been reported on Look North that the Council need to save so many million this year and it has been suggested that Hull Truck may have to close and Museums will only open 3 days a week. The new plans for Orchard Park have also been shelved which admittidly is Central Government but there are going to be some very angry Hull Citizens over the spending on your stand.
Not a case of sour grapes or jealously by the way, just don't think now is the right time for the Council to be spending that sort of money.'"
I have to ask you hull white star if the boot was on the other foot would you say the same thing. I hate to drag up old mud but when the council bought the boulevard and built the kc stadium did you say the same then i didn't hear a lot of hull fc fans moaning then more crowing and rubbing our noses in it. could it be that because the fact its towards hull kr that,s wrong and not hull fc. but i do take your point re cutbacks in today's environment and i personally empathise with you. I didn't know about council involvement in this til today. my understanding was that funding was from sporting bodies ie sport England.
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| Quote ="rednwhite"I have to ask you hull white star if the boot was on the other foot would you say the same thing. I hate to drag up old mud but when the council bought the boulevard and built the kc stadium did you say the same then i didn't hear a lot of hull fc fans moaning then more crowing and rubbing our noses in it. could it be that because the fact its towards hull kr that,s wrong and not hull fc. but i do take your point re cutbacks in today's environment and i personally empathise with you. I didn't know about council involvement in this til today. my understanding was that funding was from sporting bodies ie sport England.'"
We were not "all in this together" then and having to deal with "major spending cut backs". So in answer to your question yes I would say the same thing if it meant my husband was facing redundancy with HCC and we could stand to lose our house because I don't work. If it meant I would have a roof over my head (I'm in a bungalow because of my disability) then have a stand built and or developed then I know what is more important to me. If this was 5 years ago and a different economic climate then I wouldn't have a problem, infact quite the opposite.
I'm very pleased you'll be getting a new stand, just not at the expense of my husbands wages or quite possibly his job.
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| Quote ="rednwhite"I have to ask you hull white star if the boot was on the other foot would you say the same thing. I hate to drag up old mud but when the council bought the boulevard and built the kc stadium did you say the same then i didn't hear a lot of hull fc fans moaning then more crowing and rubbing our noses in it. could it be that because the fact its towards hull kr that,s wrong and not hull fc. but i do take your point re cutbacks in today's environment and i personally empathise with you. I didn't know about council involvement in this til today. my understanding was that funding was from sporting bodies ie sport England.'"
Thank you. I just feel its a slap in the face for all the Council Workers (Including Connaught workers) who have been or could be made redundant in the near future and those Council Workers who have a 2 year pay freeze to deal with on top of that. I know its been sorted now but only on Thursday we had all the trouble with those poor people who where hoping to move and Hull City Council said it had no money to help them yet they "found" over £4million for your stand I know its now been revealed that it is a "loan" but the money still has to be available in the first place.
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"Thank you. I just feel its a slap in the face for all the Council Workers (Including Connaught workers) who have been or could be made redundant in the near future and those Council Workers who have a 2 year pay freeze to deal with on top of that. I know its been sorted now but only on Thursday we had all the trouble with those poor people who where hoping to move and Hull City Council said it had no money to help them yet they "found" over £4million for your stand
I know its now been revealed that it is a "loan" but the money still has to be available in the first place.'"
This is a private company and is NOT the responsibility of the rate paters of Hull, it was down to bad management and undercutting pricing that got those people redundant.
The cost of the stand is costing the ratepayers of Hull NOTHING, a big fat zero. I think you should read the facts correctly before assuming anything, no capital outlay from the council just a loan covered by repayments from the end users.
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| Quote ="rover49"This is a private company and is NOT the responsibility of the rate paters of Hull, it was down to bad management and undercutting pricing that got those people redundant.
The cost of the stand is costing the ratepayers of Hull NOTHING, a big fat zero. I think you should read the facts correctly before assuming anything, no capital outlay from the council just a loan covered by repayments from the end users.'"
Having just read the "facts" according to Phil Webster, I now understand how it works. Maybe Phil could speak with the HDM cos it was after reading their report that the Council were funding £4 mill that started this thread
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"The council effectively acts as a guarantor, so it can't really be characterized as a hand-out.
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It's a handout looking at the levels of repayments. I wish my mortgage company took pity on me that much too.
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| Quote ="Roofs"A two-fingered one hopefully.
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Why don't you mob start selling six fingered gloves? You could have paid for an old trafford by now, especially if you chucked in humpbacked shirts and a glass eye polishing service.
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| Quote ="hull smallears"Talking of fingers...
Why don't you mob start selling six fingered gloves? You could have paid for an old trafford by now, especially if you chucked in humpbacked shirts and a glass eye polishing service.'"
Why would any of our fans want Hull fc merchandise??
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Why would any of our fans want Hull fc merchandise??'"
Maybe you tire of pink?
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| Quote ="hull smallears"Maybe you tire of pink?'"
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"I don't think we'd rather have grey though'"
Not grey. All the logos fell off!
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