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| Quote ="Seventies red"Isnt he on a Maltese passport?'"
yes your correct but vella wouldn't count because of his eu passport as i was corrected, if clinton was to be on the way out he would be the obvious one but it seems like he'l be in the 19 for sunday.
looks like dobbo was the only candidate. i cant imagine it will affect his contact in anyway and if it did we could always pay him his wages to water the plants
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| I've merged the two threads - hopefully still makes sense.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"The Tongan passport must just be for the RFL I imagine. That is likely what we've been waiting for (and still are it seems). The assertions that he has had his visa for a while look plausible again.'"
That's my reading of it. He's had the visa a while but as the quota won't let him play (or train?) here then he's not bothered to travel. The Dobson injury opened up an option and he's arrived.
As long as the RFL allow someone to "be" one nationality while travelling on a passport from a third country, he'll be OK. But he may be able to transfer the visa to the Tongan passport too.
If it arrives.
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| The Operational Rules only give one method to remove a contracted player from the register - termination of contract:
Quote (c) in the case of Professional Players with a current contract registered with a
Club:
(i) by mutual agreement by Club and Player to terminate the contract which has
been notified to the RFL which in the case of all players on a full time contract
must be in the form of a compromise agreement; or
(ii) in the case of a Negotiated Transfer, on the receipt by the RFL of the
documents set out in Operational Rule Section C1:2:4 above and C1:2:13
below; or
(iii) in the case of a Contract Expired Player where that Player signs for another
Club and the RFL receives the documents set out in Operational Rule C1:2:4
above and C1:2:13 below. When a player has been removed from a Club
Register he shall remain on the RFL Register as a Free Agent unless he
applies for de-registration as set out in C1:1:3 above.'"
This would explain the RFL statement, and would mean that Dobson is currently a free agent.
Farcical.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"The Tongan passport must just be for the RFL I imagine. That is likely what we've been waiting for (and still are it seems). The assertions that he has had his visa for a while look plausible again.
I'd be curious to see the rules about de- and re-registering players. I can't imagine they allow you to rotate your spots between whoever is fit to play at any given time, all that easily.'"
Your right, a player who is de registered can't be re registered in the same season.
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| Lets hope your Board have thought this one through and got the ok from the RFL.
RE-REGISTRATION OF AN OVERSEAS PLAYER
C1:4:7 An "overseas Player" who is removed from a Club Register during the Season cannot then be placed back on that Club's Register in that same Season save with the permission of the Board.
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| Quote ="Chris28"I can see that I might have to start charging for visa advice.....
I don't know of a restriction on the number of visas, but it would probably confuse the Immigration Officer as there would be conflicting records of arrivals and visa numbers might not match up properly on the IT system, so they'd probably want him to be on one passport and one visa.
The visa folks will need to see his passport each time he travels in and out of the country, but I think the above issue is more to do with the interpretation of the RFL operational rules on the quota. I don't imagine renewing the visa in the Tongan passport will be an issue. But it will cost just over a grand to get it done quickly, and that also means the passport has to be issued and arrive here. It was illegal to send a passport across international borders, but don't think it is now. Maybe Hudge will camp outside the Tongan High Commiossion to wait for it arriving in the diplomatic bag.'" So he is here as a Kiwi thus on quota until his Tongan one arrives at the Tongan high commision which is the UK.
Maybe the club think dealing with a commision in this country will be easier then just waiting until the Tongans get themselves in gear in Tonga.
Maybe as you say they want to be in a situation where they can rush his Tongan visa through when his passport finally arrives.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Lets hope your Board have thought this one through and got the ok from the RFL.
RE-REGISTRATION OF AN OVERSEAS PLAYER
C1:4:7 An "overseas Player" who is removed from a Club Register during the Season cannot then be placed back on that Club's Register in that same Season save with the permission of the Board.'"
My memory wasn't playing tricks on me then.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Lets hope your Board have thought this one through and got the ok from the RFL.
RE-REGISTRATION OF AN OVERSEAS PLAYER
C1:4:7 An "overseas Player" who is removed from a Club Register during the Season cannot then be placed back on that Club's Register in that same Season save with the permission of the Board.'" The last 7 words maybe key here.
It may well the case that the RFL themselves want Mason here simply because of the press column inches he will give them and they have already cleared it with Rovers.
I do not for one second think Rovers or JM would have done this if they thought Dobson would be locked out of playing for the rest of the season or even made a free agent.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"The last 7 words maybe key here.'"
You'd effin' hope so!
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| Any precedents for the Board giving permission????
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| Quote ="Roverswall"The last 7 words maybe key here.'"
Yep, like I said you'd expect the KR Board to have already got this agreement - however you only have to look at the different language being used on the RFL and Hull KR sites re his contract to worry.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Lets hope your Board have thought this one through and got the ok from the RFL.
RE-REGISTRATION OF AN OVERSEAS PLAYER
C1:4:7 An "overseas Player" who is removed from a Club Register during the Season cannot then be placed back on that Club's Register in that same Season save with the permission of the Board.'"
I wonder if the board have already agreed to re register Dobson. If not it seems a huge risk. If they have shouldn't they have already said so.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"You'd effin' hope so!
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You'd also better hope that no club has the cap and quota space to make him an offer, because at the moment they can get him for free.
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| Quote ="Kosh"You'd also better hope that no club has the cap and quota space to make him an offer, because at the moment they can get him for free.'"
No they can't
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Yep, like I said you'd expect the KR Board to have already got this agreement - however you only have to look at the different language being used on the RFL and Hull KR sites re his contract to worry.'"
According to the Operational Rules the wording on the RFL website is correct.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"
And also stop saying why not de-register Vella. You might as well de-register Netherton, it won't make a difference.'"
Have never suggested that.
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"No they can't'"
Why not?
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Yep, like I said you'd expect the KR Board to have already got this agreement - however you only have to look at the different language being used on the RFL and Hull KR sites re his contract to worry.'"
Are you suggesting hkr are lying to put their fans minds at rest in this money spinning good news week?
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| Panicking a bit again now!
We must have this sorted, surely a potential cock up of this magnitude can't happen.
I can't for one minute imagine we'd lose our main play maker for the rest of the season so as to be able to play a player in an area that we are already reasonably strong in.
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| Quote ="Kosh"You'd also better hope that no club has the cap and quota space to make him an offer, because at the moment they can get him for free.'"
With the form of our administration department, we'll probably have to pay a fee to re sign Dobson!
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| Quote ="Kosh"Why not?'"
The news is out in the open now, lets see how many clubs make an offer for this "free agent"
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Are you suggesting hkr are lying to put their fans minds at rest in this money spinning good news week?'"
I have no intention of getting involved in your local rivalry.
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| Quote ="pmh"Panicking a bit again now!
We must have this sorted, surely a potential cock up of this magnitude can't happen.
I can't for one minute imagine we'd lose our main play maker for the rest of the season so as to be able to play a player in an area that we are already reasonably strong in.'"
What goes around comes around.
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| Quote ="pmh"Panicking a bit again now!
We must have this sorted, surely a potential cock up of this magnitude can't happen.
I can't for one minute imagine we'd lose our main play maker for the rest of the season so as to be able to play a player in an area that we are already reasonably strong in.'"
Maybe Masons arrival was needed to bring in revenue?
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