When you don't touch the ball for the first 10 minutes in a game and when you cough up 4 soft and entirely preventable tries in the first 25 minutes, 3 through inept and totally spineless defence from one individual, it's inevitable heads drop. At that point, the deficit and the one-sided nature of the lopsided scoreline is no way attributable to our physically and mentally tired Rugby League professionals who had one extra day of recovery time to our opposition. Credit the opposition at this point and our ineptitude.

So here follows the perspective.

After 25 mins of the game, our game plan has completely gone for a ball of chalk. Initiative and confidence and energy is low. Cats totally on the front foot, us on the back foot.

Last year at home with four scores in arrears, we mounted a successful partial comeback before half time and then blew them away second half playing Harlem Globetrotter rugby. Wait a minute, we had Campo and Kelly on the park then, it was before Easter and Cats couldn't defend. Now they can, they have recruited superbly and have a form scrum half in Richie Myler. They marked us man for man and held their shape. They defended easily.

Morals of the story - life is all about timing; 12 months is all it takes to turn your fortunes around; Glenn Stewart is a prime example of a smart overseas recruitment; do the game basics well and control the game. There are countless others, many more derogatory, but those 4 will do for now.

The way they played last night that 4 would have made a difference they were just not good enough the first 15 minutes killed them from the first 40-20 in the second minute and then two quick tries never had the ball for 11. Minutes at least .
No excuses squad not big enough END OF

As the game went away from us we didn't even try a short kick off, just the usual kick to the same place. We looked really inept last night and void of any ideas whatsoever. Bullied. The thing is these players looked knackered but we have no one to bring in, so no matter how effortlessly they play they'll still get picked.

Jeez, was last week this season's Challenge Cup final for you? Look at the table mate. No one should be getting carried away by beating us this year. I'm not having a go at Rovers fans (you are in just as much sh*t as us and Huddersfield Midgets atm).
If you beat the likes of the top 4 you will deserve some credit and I hope you do.
All this game proves (like the whole Easter period for us) is that you have got one hell of a fight to avoid the middle 8's.

Last night he made 28 tackles with four misses. One tackle bust, one offload and six carries for a total of 36 metres.

In a season with few highs thus far, we'll take what we can thank you. Given our current circumstances, such moments like our first league victory away from Hull since 2014, will be regarded as a positive thing to us. Your condescending arrogance to feel the notion to put this down and not understand the context of such comment, shows - you just don't get what it's like to travel to most games realistically expecting to lose.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

The good news is that are experiencing just that at the moment. Long may it continue.

Every team lose one or 2 a season look at Leeds last season and they won the lot I still think this is their year but do not know if they will win it

It's a good read this thread...with a few exceptions.

Last night Catalan were excellent...helped by some eccentric officiating. Best team we've played. Myler has a kicking game!!! Stewart was exceptional. He marked Blair out of the game. Thought our forwards held their own despite the score. Without Blair we were hopeless with the ball. The other 2 pivots don't have the ability to play catch up rugby.

Our problem is 3 poor coaching appointments on the trot. Webster has improved us....a bit.

These coaches have all recruited poorly. Cats Wire and Widnes recruited to complete a balanced squad. We have not.

Mulhern Minns Greenwood show real promise for the future. Clarkson....pah.

I believe I may have advocated for Dixon in the past and he is an exceptional runner of the ball but......last night he bottled out of defensive duties almost every time. He's shot at the moment and Cats exploited him like Leeds couldn't.
Maybe Oakes gets a go against Oldham.

Why.....why....WHY can't we get Sio in the game.

Where did Marsh hide last night.

We need some surgery for next season to not be bottom 4 again.

Well get some more beatings this year. Well win some. The coach shouldn't publicly make excuses...real or not..for a 40-0 beating at home. He should say publicly it is unacceptable. Wane wouldn't tolerate it Ferguson Mourinho etc. Webster shouldn't either or the players will lose confidence in themselves and him.

What or where is our "tone from the top" these days? Hudgell, Smith, Peacock? Crossland only communication is to claim we're at full cap and talk about the fan survey which is reminiscent of the infamous steering group that died in its backside.

The atmosphere was sterile last night and with current performances and league position we cannot be expected to attract better players. Silence on the new "top line" coach. Falling attendances.

As others have said perhaps 10th is simply where we are and all we can afford. I remain unconvinced that our 25 man squad is the same cost as our opposition last night.

Finally is Ken Sio's final year (2017) activated or an option?

Sio signed a straight 3 year deal.

Going off my memory of the 1-17 - Mantellato, Salter, Campese, Kelly, Horne, Larroyer and Donaldson.

Obviously there's a couple more in Boudebza and Shaw.

Minns might be ahead of Salter for some. But Shaw might be ahead of Dixon, so swings and roundabouts. 7 would be more accurate than 4 IMO, though everybody has injuries and I would not pretend all 7 are world beaters.
The issue is our depth, or rather our lack of it. That is an issue in terms of quality and being able to freshen things up. 3 more fit, SL quality players and we'd be coping better.

Doing alright for props, in contrast to last year.

I'm not in the "Tilse is rubbish brigade" but I just really cannot understand his performances.

Against Leeds, I'm pretty sure he took two drives in more than one set, and then to go to a total of six in a full game is just unfathomable.

Maybe we need to shove a scotch bonnet up his Iestyn before every game.

I love this post BF. Right on the money in pretty much every respect.

I especially like the last para about our coach's excuse, but without reference to to**ers from football. There was no excuse for last night's lame duck effort. Certainly not tiredness or thin squad and for those who want a graphic illustration of how to beat fatigue and injuries and take it to a team at the top of the tree, look at the effort and intensity put in by Saints in the first half of their game on Sky tonight against Wire. We just didn't perform, we went back to being lateral in attack and soft in defence and Cats were unrelentingly good at exploiting our predictability.

We need to learn fast and move on.

Was it Freudian of Eddie On Sky last night when after four minutes of commentary he referred to James Webster inadvertently as James Waster?

as George Formby would say, Turned out nice again

Indeed. Thanks for the favour. Any chance of another one next week?

hopefully so,

Let me guess YOU WON

He wasn't that bad, mate.

I meant you but, you knew that really didn't you?

Of course they did. They're the 2016 treble winners. Haven't you heard?

You can't carry the ball when you don't have it goose. On for the first 20. For 11 of those we didn't touch the ball.
Whilst he was on he helped us stem the tide in the middle.

I'm beginning to really like Tilse. Takes 3 to handle him. Can pass and play. Dominates contact.

Compare him to that charlatan Pritchard. 26 tackles is a Quarter of what that bearded fake has managed all year.

On Frank....Jordan Thompson AND Mark Sneyd have managed more tackles and tackle busts than Frank this year.

Please give Tilse and Campese a break while Frank wobbles about stealing a living.

Still hurting, eh?

Just face it, Tilse is a donkey.

Pritchard would get in your team on one leg.