At least we can sing our old faithfull song for another year. Cant think of any more positives tho. Roll on next season for me.

Unfortunatly i drank 2 watching leeds an fc an only have 2 cans left !

today was a stark reminder of how far behind the top sides we really are, we need to beef up the pack next season, otherwise teams will just keep steam rollering us. a new f/b, 2 props and a hooker are defo needed. cant see Matt Cook signing a new contract after today, why has Scott Taylor been changed into a prop? any ideas. he seems really strong and would go well out wide IMO.

Now if any body had eny doubts Justin to go and go now for a start

Well Morgan sure didnt seem that ar$ed in the press conference. Some pretty tired excuses coming from him now. Sounds like he`s given up himself now.! Cant wait for the end of the season.

Heard him on Radio Humberside on the way home from our debacle. He just basically blamed it all on the players.

Well thats Morgan. Everyones fault but his own. Had two months to plan this game, did`nt realise it was for his leaving party!!

you dont have 2 months to plan for a game, you can surely only plan for your next game. I listened to Morgan been interveiwed before the game, talking about some new plays theyve been working on for 2 months, but he didnt want to use them in the league games, because he wanted to suprise Saints with them, well guess what, the suprise was shi£e. IMO we need to be smart this pre season with our recruitment, knowing the Aussie salary cap is going up, do you try to get another Aussie in to replace Vella ( who must be retiring) or do you look what is out there British. Once there cap goes up we may well see less Aussies coming over, and have to produce our own.

Unfortunately we're now in a foot race with Hull to see which of us earn the right to go to France and get hammered. Hardly an inspiration for the rest of the season is it.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but when John Wells predicted us and FC to finish 9th and 10th (IIRC) we all mocked, seems he wasn't too far off the mark.

Let us hope you win the foot race

looking at the run in i don't think we'll win another game this season, big changes needed, too many average/poor players

Has our season started?,someone should let the coach and players know!

its easy to say we need big changes, but whose out there available that is better than what we have, and if there that good, other clubs will want them too. its a tough situation we find ourselves in.

true tony but signing average players on long ish deals doesn't help

It's been a troubled and disappointing season - but frankly not that disappointing. Rubbing shoulders with Hull, Bradford and Salford; I wanted better, even expected it, but 10 wins from 22 league games isn't awful for a mid-sized SL club. It's worrying that we don't seem able to trouble the top teams - things have gone a bit stale and changes need to be made, but cutting too deep would be as bad as doing nothing, IMO.

looks like its time to bring the kids in then, Cox and Sheriff could play this weekend, weve nothing to lose now so may aswell give them a shot.

Once again were does this "we've got nothing to lose now" come from?

Weve got a good shot at playoff rugby which will inject much needed cash into the club. IMO we have got loads to lose!

Do you know how much a brief (away from home) appearance in the play offs brings to the club? I would suggest it will cost the club more to fund a second trip to Perpignan than they would get from being in the top 8 for 1 game.

The players have everything to lose by not making the play-offs.

No top 8 = no prize money = no end of season bonuses.

Didn't SL used to collect all the gate receipts from the play-offs then split the total between the qualifying sides?

Do they still do this?

If their bonuses are anything more than a packet of smoky bacon Frazzles, we've been robbed.

what i mean is, were down to the bare bones in some positions, ie F/B and wing so have to give Sheriff and Latus a go, we have to play them, so therefore we have nothing to lose,

Not big enough, simple as - its ok saying they need experience at top level but top level rugby when your not ready for it can be just as bad.

He should of been loaned out to york for the 2011 season

After Neil Hudgell's comments about wanting to see the youngsters get more game time it makes me wonder who is picking the team now after this weeks developments. Just hope to God Matt Cook gets a chance now if Jordan Cox can.

And I suppose you've seen St Helens absolute giant of a full back for next season?