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| Quote ="R.B.A"Ask Charlie Mullen if he still stands by his "source". He learned a hard lesson with that one did Charlie.'"
Whether Rovers admit it or not or whether anyone on here believes it or not Rovers did go in for Moa. He took less money to stay with Hull. Rovers as a club wont admit that though.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Lauikai and Moa are far from Top Quality impact props.'"
Luaki aint a prop mate
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| Quote ="Digger_the_Dog"Luaki aint a prop mate
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He should be!
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"He should be!
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Yeah but there are a lot of things that SHOULD be happening that aint
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| Quote ="Digger_the_Dog"Yeah but there are a lot of things that SHOULD be happening that aint
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Wont disagree with that!
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Whether Rovers admit it or not or whether anyone on here believes it or not Rovers did go in for Moa. He took less money to stay with Hull. Rovers as a club wont admit that though.'"
We really didnt mate, but if it makes you feel better believing it then fair enough..
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| Quote ="R.B.A"We really didnt mate, but if it makes you feel better believing it then fair enough..'"
i dont really care one way or another. He stayed with us and looks like one of our better prospects.
I do trust the person that told me though and would be interested to hear over a beer sometime why you are so certain you really didnt!
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Lauaki isn't even a prop! You're wrong about Moa though.
In O'Meley we have one of the top 5 props in this league, in Moa we have one of the top 2 impact props. Sadly in Dowes, Radford and Cusack we have 3 of the bottom 10 props also.
But anyway, Clinton, although I haven't seen as much of him as you guys and he might not play many minutes, he's been streets ahead of anything else you've got. You need at least 2 more to go with him.'"
Lauiki may not be a prop but hes certainly an impact player.
if anyone watched the Anzac test on Friday you would have seen that the Aussies didnt bother with impact props either. they just had 4 good go forward props.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"That would depend if you are talking on reputation or current form. Lauaki was once called the best impact prop in the NRL by his then NZ Warriors captain Steven Price (a prop of considerable standing in the NRL). This year he has played second row all season.
Sam Moa's current form would suggest he isnt 'far' from a top quality impact prop but certainly still a work in progress but none the less showing some excellent form in a below par Hull team.
FWIW I would play Lauaki more as a prop for Hull especially on the firmer grounds.'"
i agree with what your saying about Moa,he could be very good. but how long can he be a work in progress? hes in his second season with you now but still doesnt look fit enough yet. IMO Agar needs to give him more minutes to get the best out of him.
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| Quote ="tonylRobin"i agree with what your saying about Moa,he could be very good. but how long can he be a work in progress? hes in his second season with you now but still doesnt look fit enough yet. IMO Agar needs to give him more minutes to get the best out of him.'"
Work in progress may be the wrong wording but he is only 24 which is still young for a prop and he is developing nicely.
Dont agree about him not looking fit enough because this year I think he looks in shape (for a big Tongan anyway ). The amount of game time is down to Agar and that can be baffling and I suspect with injuries creeping in he will get far more game time over the coming weeks.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"We really didnt mate, but if it makes you feel better believing it then fair enough..'"
TBH I would be asking why Morgan wasnt interested in a young, fairly cheap impact prop living in the city who was out of contract. We could see he had potential last year and his current form is right up their.
I would say Rovers should have been looking for a player like Moa.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"TBH I would be asking why Morgan wasnt interested in a young, fairly cheap impact prop living in the city who was out of contract. We could see he had potential last year and his current form is right up their.
I would say Rovers should have been looking for a player like Moa.
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Quota will have been a big issue. It would have essentially been Moa or Clinton. And we needed somebody who was more than just a prospect.
That said I think we could do with a non-quota impact prop - somebody in the Richard Moore mould. Maybe not Morgan's style though.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Work in progress may be the wrong wording but he is only 24 which is still young for a prop and he is developing nicely.
Dont agree about him not looking fit enough because this year I think he looks in shape (for a big Tongan anyway
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Been a close 2nd to O'Meley this year out of our props for me.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Whether Rovers admit it or not or whether anyone on here believes it or not Rovers did go in for Moa. He took less money to stay with Hull. Rovers as a club wont admit that though.'"
Correct.
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| Quote ="Digger_the_Dog"Luaki aint a prop mate
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Re read the quote mucker.
It was somebody else who said he was.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Re read the quote mucker.
It was somebody else who said he was.'"
Anyway, Joel Clinton.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"HKR must have the finest recruitment in rugby league, they've never missed out on any targets.'"
Incorrect
Francis Cummins in 2006 and Matt King for 2008 spring to mind
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Whether Rovers admit it or not or whether anyone on here believes it or not Rovers did go in for Moa. He took less money to stay with Hull. Rovers as a club wont admit that though.'"
Lets weigh up the pros and cons here then.
Moa is out of contract at Hull with Agar unsure of whether to offer him a deal because of his deficencies in defence.
Moa's agents touts his name around and 2 unnamed clubs have supposedly made him offers.
The HDM run a story saying one of them is Rovers.
Not confirmed by the club once and smack in the middle of a time where every Rovers story the HDM ran turned out to be wrong
Surprise surprise the player gets a new deal at Hull
Neil Hudgell is asked on the Online Interview with the fans if Rovers ever made an offer for Moa and his reply which was posted on this site is an categoric NO.
So forgive me it i take his version of events over a couple of keyboard would be wind up merchants one of which talks bollax on a daily basis
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Quite correct.
This thread shouldnt be drifting on to one of Hull FC's fringe players who only seems to get a game when there are injuries.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"So [uforgive me it i take his version of events[/u over a couple of keyboard would be wind up merchants one of which talks bollax on a daily basis
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Do you think Rovers will announce any signings for 2011 before September?
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Lets weigh up the pros and cons here then.
Moa is out of contract at Hull with Agar unsure of whether to offer him a deal because of his deficencies in defence.
Moa's agents touts his name around and 2 unnamed clubs have supposedly made him offers.
The HDM run a story saying one of them is Rovers.
Not confirmed by the club once and smack in the middle of a time where every Rovers story the HDM ran turned out to be wrong
Surprise surprise the player gets a new deal at Hull
Neil Hudgell is asked on the Online Interview with the fans if Rovers ever made an offer for Moa and his reply which was posted on this site is an categoric NO.
So forgive me it i take his version of events over a couple of keyboard would be wind up merchants one of which talks bollax on a daily basis
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You didnt weigh up any pro's and con's there. You simply listed what you believed to be the events that took place.
Here's my version:
Moa was OOC and Agar was looking at the benefits of using a quota space on Moa or looking to fill another position.
Moa is allowed to talk to SL clubs and prior to the HDM running a story i hear that Moa is in talks with Castleford, Celtic and Rovers.
Forget the HDM story, they generally repeat things from various sources and never really break anything of note.
The 3 offers on the table are more than Moa is offered at Hull but he doesnt want to go elsewhere. His agent plays silly games for a little bit and in the end Moa gets a decent 2 year deal at FC.
Neil Hudgell answers the question 'No' on the forum. Now if you believe every word he tells you you're sillier than us believing James Rules spin!
The simple fact of it as was mentioned earlier is that Rovers would have been stupid not to talk to an up and coming impact prop when that was the position Morgan had indicated at strengthening.
It's not something to be ashamed of you know losing out on a player to FC.
(i heard my version of events from a couple of different 'in the know' sources. As i said, doesnt really matter which version of events are true, does make me chuckle though around the Rovers denial spin that often occurs in relation to FC)
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Wouldnt say fringe mate. He's our star prop at the minute. Sadly that's probably because the rest of our side look garbage.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Wouldnt say fringe mate. He's our star prop at the minute. Sadly that's probably because the rest of our side look garbage.
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Your best player at Leeds away by a mile by all accounts and then dropped for the Cup game if i recall correctly.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Your best player at Leeds away by a mile by all accounts and then dropped for the Cup game if i recall correctly.'"
Yup. Then back in the week afterwards and looked good. Doenst look out of place in SL and carries us forward well. Even RBA was singing his praises at Edinburgh, although thats probably because the rest of our side looked lacklustre and average.
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