i cant believe your having a spat about East Hull/ West Hull education..........there both absolute dogeeeeeeee!

Quote ="Mulder"In my opinion this is the best and most comprehensive explanation of the rule. www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=584195'" Hurrah! That's exactly how I thought the rules worked, except that I didn't know that the Federation Trained stuff only applied to the top 25 players at a club. I guess the confusion arises from the details of individual cases.

Quote ="Mulder"In my opinion this is the best and most comprehensive explanation of the rule. www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=584195'" Hurrah! That's exactly how I thought the rules worked, except that I didn't know that the Federation Trained stuff only applied to the top 25 players at a club. I guess the confusion arises from the details of individual cases.

It wasn't me who sent the email, but I had a copy of the reply. It didn't actually contradict anything from that link as it dealt with the detail of how those rules were applied to individual players.

Any player who would qualify to become Fed Trained due to being in the UK game prior to the rules coming in must apply during the final year of his contract. The change to Fed Trained then comes into force upon the termination of that contract - normally November. Once reclassified as Fed Trained he stays that way for the rest of his career, regardless of which team he plays for.

The confusion arises when contracts don't terminate in the normal way. For instance, it's not abundantly clear if granting a contract extension counts as termination of the original contract allowing an immediate application to become Fed Trained.

So apart from Dobson everybody is Fed-trained. So all we have to worry about is the 'old' quota, firstly.

Dobson, Webster, Newton, Galea are 4 of the 5 (Crossman would have been the 5th). Vella and Fisher are EU/Kolpak, so outside the old quota. Contract renewals was then perhaps a bit of a red herring - it'd have been very open to abuse anyway.

So we have up to one spot for someone who is quota [iand[/i non-fed, which would bring the total to five. Assuming that if you are caught out by the quota rule, you count as non-fed even if you were here by 2008, that would leave one more spot for a Kolpak (6 non-fed for 2010). Maybe why we were linked with a couple of Tongans?
Theoretically, if Galea followed Vella in becoming Maltese, he'd be off quota [iand[/i non-fed - like Lenegan says Carmont is doing in getting a Samoan passport. If Galea wants to extend his career in the UK, it'd be worth him thinking about.

Edit - I forgot about Fitzhenry. We had Galea, Fitzhenry, Dobson, Webster, Newton and Crossman at the back-end of 2008. That's 6, so one must have been non-quota. Fitzhenry left because of quota restrictions so it can't have been him. It may have been Crossman, so it wouldn't be relevant now. If it's one of Newton/Galea/Webster we may have 2+1 spots available?????????

Rumoured down here that Lima will announce after the GF he is going to teh Tigers. Shame as he is a very good prop.

Assuming that they all applied in time and assuming that the RFL agreed that they qualify, they should become Fed Trained next month.

its not a shame hes staying in the nrl jb.

It is from Hull KR's point of view!

well, like all sl clubs, lets produce our own.

That was exactly my point about Clint Newtons extension mid season.
Is that what is freeing up the extra quota place.
What is really confusing in the situation involving Fitzy.
Surely he fell in the group of players this involves (I think).

or alternatively, like all SL clubs lets sign high quality overseas players within the rules allowed!

dont agree.

hopefully by 2014 the quota will be at 1 with 2 non fed players/quota given dispensation if their willing/able to play for france/scotland/wales/france//ireland.

There was an article in the press stating his mother in law was ill and his wife had returned home

That would make more sense tbh.
Hope all is well if that is true.

I have to say, I think the quota system is going to kill the english game (super league at least)

The players who can't get into the NRL first team sides are the best players in our league - Berrigan, Dobson, Brent Webb, Richards, Scott Donald (to name a few)

Now I'm all for youngsters coming through, and ok there are some dispensations in place etc. etc. but why rob the clubs of the best players, and those youngsters coming through the opportunity to learn from the best etc.

Like I said, I'm all for youngsters coming through, but maybe instead of lowering the overseas players, lower the amount of other club trained players - briscoe or cooke for example.

There is no way that the english youth is going to be good enough and constant enough to come through quick enough. If we're not careful we'll turn the super league into lower league style play.

Lets be fair, take the odd prodigy out of the equation (tom briscoe, sam tomkins, myler) we don't really have that much GOOD young talent. Look at ainscough at wigan, and westerman at cas, both have come through over the last couple of years, been rated massively by the media (which will kill tomkins career btw, but another topic lol) and have now fallen into the background.

the only one he named who couldn't get into a side is dobson!

Best players in their respective teams mate, thats all I was getting at. Leeds two best prop forwads are overseas players. Rovers scrum half, leader, is an aussie, their second row combo is from aus, hull's best creative player is an aus, etc.

Isn't he the only one named to get into the 2009 dream team though.

well can someone tell tony smith because he keeps picking jamie peacock for england.

which confirms we cant produce many scrum halfs in this country.

Well, he's joint second then



I was just trying to make a point, and kylie leuluai and ali lauitiiti are certainly up there with Peacock.

Anyways, care to discuss my point instead of just trying to pick out nitty gritty errors

has he moved to prop?

well your point is you want more overseas players to keep the standard of super league high?

well i disagree what i want us to do is treat youth development very seriously.

why cant we produce backs to a international standard? why cant we produce coaches? but why should we when we can bring in overseas players?

For gods sake, he's a forward, he's better than any of our or your props put together, even if he would be playing out os position.

But, I think your arguments backwards to be honest. We cannot produce players to the quality of the likes of israel falau, a home grown talent in australlia. We produce very bog standard young talent. It's no fault of our own, its just the fact that rugby league isn't what kids want to play, they want to play football, or the standard of coaching at youth level isn't good enough to fulfil youngsters drive.

Yes, one or two gems come through, but they're not a patch on the aussie talent, so we're never gonna compete on the international stage with them. We've had the same faces time and time again in the international set up which shows th talent isn't being produced fast enough or the talent coming through isn't good enough.

That's why, the quality of football on show is going to be poor, because teams will have their hand forced to include below par youngsters in their squads. Not all teams can birng players through at the standard of ryan hall, or scott moore.

That was all I was saying, I'd rather be qatching quality standard rugby every week, than seeing a side full of average young english players.

Are you disappointed with the signings of O'Meley, Lauaki, Moa and Fitzgibbon, then? Relieved that Crocker didn't block Burnett's progression?Genuine questions.