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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Reported where exactly ?'"
HDM "It appears likely Cooke will see out the remainder of his deal at Craven Park, as he is reluctant to walk away from a lucrative £125,000 a year deal"
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| Quote ="Holty"HDM "It appears likely Cooke will see out the remainder of his deal at Craven Park, as he is reluctant to walk away from a lucrative £125,000 a year deal"'"
The same HDM that reported Rovers were trying to sign Sam Moa.
Gospel Then.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"The same HDM that reported Rovers were trying to sign Sam Moa.
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what about league express or the fact that every pee'd off hkr player told everyone when he signed?
and who says hkr wern't trying to sign moa? hugdhill? hes hardly reliable.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"The same HDM that reported Rovers were trying to sign Sam Moa.
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you asked where it was reported and you've got 2 answers
Although knowing HDM they will have got there info from here or RLE
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"The same HDM that reported Rovers were trying to sign Sam Moa.
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I think its pretty likely to be honest. He wont have been on peanuts at Hull and in order to get him to walk away from a side that was the current Grand Finalist as well as him having a testimonial around the corner was never going to be cheap. That is not withstanding probably factoring into the contract the money that he owed Hull for paying his legal fees for his courtcase whilst he was there.
Given that we didnt have to pay a fee for such an influential player would have probably persuaded us to push the boat out a bit aswell.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"I think its pretty likely to be honest. He wont have been on peanuts at Hull and in order to get him to walk away from a side that was the current Grand Finalist as well as him having a testimonial around the corner was never going to be cheap. That is not withstanding probably factoring into the contract the money that he owed Hull for paying his legal fees for his courtcase whilst he was there.
Given that we didnt have to pay a fee for such an influential player would have probably persuaded us to push the boat out a bit aswell.'"
Maybe
Just shows some people believe are they read in the papers i suppose.
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| Quote ="Holty"you asked where it was reported and you've got 2 answers
Although knowing HDM they will have got there info from here or RLE
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That french sounding bloke from the league express just waves his recording equipment under the noses of KCFM, HDM and RH interviews after games and puts his own slant on it.
So what submission
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| Quote ="Sheldon"what about league express or the fact that every pee'd off hkr player told everyone when he signed?
and who says hkr wern't trying to sign moa? hugdhill? hes hardly reliable.'"
No but Neil Hudgell did and he is the Chairman.
And why would Rovers want to sign a player who was a project at Hull and hardly set the world on fire.
You only have to look to the right of this page to spell his name correctly BTW.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"No but Neil Hudgell did and he is the Chairman.
And why would Rovers want to sign a player who was a project at Hull and hardly set the world on fire.
You only have to look to the right of this page to spell his name correctly BTW.
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thats it then cause chairman, as petty as some, always tell the truth.
when did cook, ratu, hodgson, wheeldon and lovegrove set the world on fire?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"thats it then cause chairman, as petty as some, always tell the truth.
when did cook, ratu, hodgson, wheeldon and lovegrove set the world on fire?'"
I havent a clue what your 1st sentance means.
But in response to the 2nd.
Matt Cook although it could be said has stagnated rather in the last 2 years has still represented England, been part of a Grand Final winning squad and a World Club Challenge winning side.
The change of club is probably just what he needs to get kick started again but time will time.
The obvious being that he is British signing not overseas.
Ratu has a fine pedigree.
However Senior is still around at Leeds and in fine form and they have signed an overseas centre in Delaney.
Kallum Watkins is probably next in line so the change of club looks the correct decision.
Add to that Leeds were reluctant to lose Ratu.
Supporting a side like Hull FC as you do who benefited from Leeds deeming the likes of Raynor,Dowes,Carvell surplus to requirements im surprised you have such a view on Ratu.
Hodgson was on Morgan's wish list 12 months earlier but signed for Hull for a year so his coming to Craven Park was no surprise.
He was the outstanding player in Hull's Reserve team last season by a country mile and Morgan must think he has the makings of a good player.
I will take his view over yours on that one.
Wheedon and Lovegrove were both very good last season.
Better then Moa.
So i dont see your comparison.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"And why would Rovers want to sign a player who was a project at Hull and hardly set the world on fire.
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Dunno, but he was supposedly the best reserve player last season
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"I havent a clue what your 1st sentance means.
But in response to the 2nd.
Matt Cook although it could be said has stagnated rather in the last 2 years has still represented England, been part of a Grand Final winning squad and a World Club Challenge winning side.
The change of club is probably just what he needs to get kick started again but time will time.
The obvious being that he is British signing not overseas.
Ratu has a fine pedigree.
However Senior is still around at Leeds and in fine form and they have signed an overseas centre in Delaney.
Kallum Watkins is probably next in line so the change of club looks the correct decision.
Add to that Leeds were reluctant to lose Ratu.
Supporting a side like Hull FC as you do who benefited from Leeds deeming the likes of Raynor,Dowes,Carvell surplus to requirements im surprised you have such a view on Ratu.
Hodgson was on Morgan's wish list 12 months earlier but signed for Hull for a year so his coming to Craven Park was no surprise.
He was the outstanding player in Hull's Reserve team last season by a country mile and Morgan must think he has the makings of a good player.
I will take his view over yours on that one.
Wheedon and Lovegrove were both very good last season.
Better then Moa.
So i dont see your comparison.'"
What are you on! a very good player he is and an outstanding prospect but he was not a country mile a head of Jack Briscoe, Reece Lynne and even to an extenet, Dennis Tuffour - And i make that claim after watching all reserve games barring 2 last season. How many did you go see, as a Rovers fan? or have you made the coment based upon what you have read? if so, you have just lambasted certain members for "believing what they read"
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"
Wheedon and Lovegrove were both very good last season.
Better then Moa.
So i dont see your comparison.'"
Yeah, but Scott & Rhys are not part of some marketing campaign that's got everyone suddenly believing them to be world-beaters.
We missed a trick there, we could have had the "PNG Triads" T-shirts for the last 3 seasons!
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Give it up. You challenged whether Cooke's salary had been reported anywhere, and were given two publications. Whether you believe Cooke earns £125,000 a year or not is another point entirely. It has been reported, hence the use of "reportedly" in the orignal post. Here's another one for you, in the national press this time:
www.express.co.uk/posts/view/147 ... -Crusaders
Also, the HDM is categorical in what Cooke is being paid - no reference to "understands that" or "reportedly", just stating it as a fact: "Cooke has one year remaining on his contract at Craven Park, where he [uis[/u one of the top earners on £125,000 per year.
Honestly, as a journalist you really need to keep up with the widely reported story of Rovers trying to offload one of their most expensive players.
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So what submission
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Give it up. You challenged whether Cooke's salary had been reported anywhere, and were given two publications. Whether you believe Cooke earns £125,000 a year or not is another point entirely. It has been reported, hence the use of "reportedly" in the orignal post. Here's another one for you, in the national press this time:
www.express.co.uk/posts/view/147 ... -Crusaders
Also, the HDM is categorical in what Cooke is being paid - no reference to "understands that" or "reportedly", just stating it as a fact: "Cooke has one year remaining on his contract at Craven Park, where he [uis[/u one of the top earners on £125,000 per year.
Honestly, as a journalist you really need to keep up with the widely reported story of Rovers trying to offload one of their most expensive players.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"
Wheedon and Lovegrove were both very good last season.
Better then Moa.
So i dont see your comparison.'"
Based on?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Based on?'"
Both made double the number of meters Moa made last year, but then Sam's appearances tend to be 10 mins with 70 warming the bench.
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| Quote ="The Goroka Gene-ius"Both made double the number of meters Moa made last year, but then Sam's appearances tend to be 10 mins with 70 warming the bench.'"
Moa missed most of the season. What are the metres per carry or metres per minute on the pitch looking like?
Sam also got a player of the month aware, did either of the Rovers lads? I'm not wanting a slangling match, i'm trying to have a reasonable debate, just wondering on what basis the original statement was made?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Moa missed most of the season. What are the metres per carry or metres per minute on the pitch looking like?
Sam also got a player of the month aware, did either of the Rovers lads? I'm not wanting a slangling match, i'm trying to have a reasonable debate, just wondering on what basis the original statement was made?'"
He made 14 appearances, compared to Lovegrove's 16.
He made 987 metres, compared to Rhys' 1822.
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2277&hs2=2009&hp2=2867&stat=tries&season=2009[/url
I don't know about mins on the pitch, I suspect Lovegrove's to be significantly higher than Moa's.
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| Quote ="The Goroka Gene-ius"He made 14 appearances, compared to Lovegrove's 16.
He made 987 metres, compared to Rhys' 1822.
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2277&hs2=2009&hp2=2867&stat=tries&season=2009[/url
I don't know about mins on the pitch, I suspect Lovegrove's to be significantly higher than Moa's.'"
Different playing styles, I prefer Lovegrove because of his versatility when needed.
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| Quote ="rover49"Different playing styles, I prefer Lovegrove because of his versatility when needed.'"
Lovegrove is a surprise package for me. I think he developed really well into a front rower last season. Good size and speed. I expect him to be one of your better players in 2010 too.
Guess each side needs a blend. We've been hugely lacking in impact players over the last few seasons so have made additions like Moa and Lauaki. I dont think we would have needed a lovegrove with us already having big units like Cusack up front, would have been too similar.
I would question though whether your front row is strong enough and diverse enough for 2010?
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| Quote ="The Goroka Gene-ius"He made 14 appearances, compared to Lovegrove's 16.
He made 987 metres, compared to Rhys' 1822.
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2277&hs2=2009&hp2=2867&stat=tries&season=2009[/url
I don't know about mins on the pitch, I suspect Lovegrove's to be significantly higher than Moa's.'"
Thats very impressive, as you say, Lovegrove spent more time on the pitch but that wouldnt account for double the yards.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Lovegrove is a surprise package for me. I think he developed really well into a front rower last season. Good size and speed. I expect him to be one of your better players in 2010 too.
Guess each side needs a blend. We've been hugely lacking in impact players over the last few seasons so have made additions like Moa and Lauaki. I dont think we would have needed a lovegrove with us already having big units like Cusack up front, would have been too similar.
I would question though whether your front row is strong enough and diverse enough for 2010?'"
maybe why they are trying for Clinton. Lovegrove has been a solid performer for us when fit and has the added ability to slot in the second row or in the centres should the need arise. Morgan plays a different game to Agar, each coach has their own ideas on how a squad should be built, so far Morgan has done well, with one or two crap signings, but in the main he has signed well. I think Lovegrove could well prove to be a top prop over the next few seasons, which is great considering his age.
We will see a dramatic change in our squad over the next two seasons or so when the likes of Cooke, Galea, Vella and Webster leave and if we can keep the young ones like Lovegrove I am sure we will maintain our progress towards more youngsters coming through either from our set up or from other clubs.
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| Quote ="rover49"
maybe why they are trying for Clinton. '"
Indeed, which is why i've questioned before the fact that if his signing doesnt happen are you short up front?
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Indeed, which is why i've questioned before the fact that if his signing doesnt happen are you short up front?'"
I agree, but if we don't get him I think they will have made some contingencies, maybe during the season as the money will still be available.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Based on?'"
My own eyes.
Moa was in the stiffs most of the season and had a couple of decent games towards the end of the season.
Wheeldon was extremely consistant once he got his chance and Lovegrove barring injury would have been in the running for Rovers player of the year.
Its not rocket science.
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