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| Dd in non related rugby post .... Shock horror
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| Quote ="Rural Robin"Dave, not having a go at you, as has been said you are one of the better Fc posters. we would all like to have managed without more loan signings, but we are struggling. Would you rather we actually look to do something positive about our predicament, or follow the Salford template of ' oh poor us please take pity on us' ( and I meant that as a rugby fan, without taking this weekends fixture into account). And I also agree we need a 20/21's instead of the 19's'"
Chased him off with our torches and pitchforks, innit?
Feel a bit bad.
I think the sport would be much better off with 21s. A-team is a pipe dream, but 21s has to be looked at again, IMO. The downside is you're asking kids who mostly aren't going to make it to give up time when they could be getting training, education or starting out on a career. And if they're not RL training full-time, the step up to SL will still be pretty significant.
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| Dave I think the comparisons to hull are made because you are a hull fan at the end of the day only Wigan leeds and saints produce homegrown players on a regular basis there young players don't leave because they are successful Taylor and watts two of our ex young props funny enough will be playing for you next season
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Dave I think the comparisons to hull are made because you are a hull fan at the end of the day only Wigan leeds and saints produce homegrown players on a regular basis there young players don't leave because they are successful Taylor and watts two of our ex young props funny enough will be playing for you next season'"
I Think Dave just wants us to play our youth to give FC a fighting chance. Just the one win against us at the magic weekend is just not good enough.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Chased him off with our torches and pitchforks, innit?
Feel a bit bad.
I think the sport would be much better off with 21s. A-team is a pipe dream, but 21s has to be looked at again, IMO. The downside is you're asking kids who mostly aren't going to make it to give up time when they could be getting training, education or starting out on a career. And if they're not RL training full-time, the step up to SL will still be pretty significant.'"
If you are talking about me, don't worry I'm a big boy and can look after myself, I'll just try and ignore the internal trolls.
Difficult to know what to do with the players who ate over 20, DR doesn't work well enough, we currently have players like Shaul and Cunningham just sat on the stands not playing any rugby, not sure what the solution is?
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| Quote ="Sandro II Terrorista"You make interesting but incorrect points.
We're far to short of brawn in the forwards, we at least needed and have signed a big unit.
Puletua is pretty much finished and I'd be [uamazed if he stayed beyond this year.[/u
Our game plan over the last few weeks has been to keep the ball anywhere but the middle, that's just not sustainable.
We turned up and did okay against Leeds but they blasted us in the forwards whenever they went there. The game was never really in doubt, Leeds controlled it.
As to outr youth, Ollett I think will make it, he's coming on leaps and bounds, Essellmont is apparently not going to be offered a new deal and Holker made a very good debut, but it was a debut.
Watching our 19's as I occasionally do, there are no front rowers that I would feel happy about throwing into the men's game.'"
TP has said he's retiring at the end of the season. I think he just wants to go out with his boots on, rather than twiddling his thumbs at Salford.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Yes, I'm really obsessed with Rovers . I've come here to have rugby debate with some decent and intelligent Rovers fans ( not you) and you on the other hand have managed to mention in Hull (which isn't relevant to the topic) in nearly all your posts.
You need to have a look at the word obsessed in the dictionary.
As I've said before , if Rovers fans don't want people to come on here and discuss rugby then go into you private forum.'"
Dave you have now made 12 posts on this thread.
If your first had been sincere, genuine and well considered there would have been no need for the other 11.
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| Quote ="His Bobness"Dave you have now made 12 posts on this thread.
If your first had been sincere, genuine and well considered there would have been no need for the other 11.'"
Do you not understand debating, I've just been replying to other peoples posts, as you seem to be tracking my posts (now 13) have a look at some of my others about Rovers and I think you will find them balanced.
I said the same on the Salford forum when they signed Godwin the same when we signed Howarth and Feka ( although was wrong about that one)
So if you think my first post wasn't genuine that you are don't know me at all.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Do you not understand debating, I've just been replying to other peoples posts, as you seem to be tracking my posts (now 13) have a look at some of my others about Rovers and I think you will find them balanced.
I said the same on the Salford forum when they signed Godwin the same when we signed Howarth and Feka ( although was wrong about that one)
So if you think my first post wasn't genuine that you are don't know me at all.'"
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| Quote ="Dave K."If you are talking about me, don't worry I'm a big boy and can look after myself, I'll just try and ignore the internal trolls.
Difficult to know what to do with the players who ate over 20, DR doesn't work well enough, we currently have players like Shaul and Cunningham just sat on the stands not playing any rugby, not sure what the solution is?'"
It's a really tricky one. Dual reg can work as a development tool - predictably, Wigan, Saints and Leeds seem to do well from it. It does feel like the not all that thin edge of a farm system wedge though, especially where it is working 'best'.
Every choice is a sacrifice, and I don't think RL has faced up to that very well in recent years. Always tries to hedge its bets - goes for the best of both worlds and just falls between stools.
I'd sack off dual-reg, leave youngsters with their amateur clubs a bit longer (pro coaches to be a bit more involved to help develop good habits), have pro club run under-18s, and from there allow pro clubs to nominate players to half a dozen or so RFL-run under 21 regional academies, paid for from the clubs' sky money.
It's far from flawless, and I very much doubt Wigan or Leeds would go for it, but it's the best I can come up with.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"It's a really tricky one. Dual reg can work as a development tool - predictably, Wigan, Saints and Leeds seem to do well from it. It does feel like the not all that thin edge of a farm system wedge though, especially where it is working 'best'.
Every choice is a sacrifice, and I don't think RL has faced up to that very well in recent years. Always tries to hedge its bets - goes for the best of both worlds and just falls between stools.
I'd sack off dual-reg, leave youngsters with their amateur clubs a bit longer (pro coaches to be a bit more involved to help develop good habits), have pro club run under-18s, and from there allow pro clubs to nominate players to half a dozen or so RFL-run under 21 regional academies, paid for from the clubs' sky money.
It's far from flawless, and I very much doubt Wigan or Leeds would go for it, but it's the best I can come up with.'"
Am I allowed to reply, Duane is trying to bully me off this board and Bob is counting my posts?
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| Quote ="Dave K."Am I allowed to reply, Duane is trying to bully me off this board and Bob is counting my posts?'"
You are a boring twonk though.
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| Quote ="roversmad"You are a boring twonk though.'"
Some might think so, others not, however in my whole posting history I'd bet I've never used the word twonk to describe someone.
I'm that boring that I've managed to help a thread on here get to 7 pages in what is usually a graveyard, just ignore me if I'm that boring.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Some might think so, others not, however in my whole posting history I'd bet I've never used the word twonk to describe someone.
I'm that boring that I've managed to help a thread on here get to 7 pages in what is usually a graveyard, just ignore me if I'm that boring.'"
Ok. You are that boring so, yes, I will ignore you. I thought you were going anyway?
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| I disagree with Dave K, but it's good to have your ideas challenged and see how others see you. And I like going on the Hull board, where they generally politely ignore me when I bore them, so if you don't want to debate with him, please do Dave the same courtesy.
Reet, off up the wooden hill to the land of dreams.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Do you not understand debating, I've just been replying to other peoples posts, as you seem to be tracking my posts (now 13) have a look at some of my others about Rovers and I think you will find them balanced.
I said the same on the Salford forum when they signed Godwin the same when we signed Howarth and Feka ( although was wrong about that one)
So if you think my first post wasn't genuine that you are don't know me at all.'"
Dave, this is totally the wrong place for a Hull fan to seek love & affection, honestly.
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| Dave K. Has come on here and given an alternate view.
The posters; "His Bobness", " Duane Dibley"and the other one, "Des Lawson", knock him down, not for his views, but because he's a Hull fan.
I agree chaps that he has committed a heinous crime in his choice of club, but should we really be so insular to stymie all debate?
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| Dave is a decent poster (for a hull fan)we have had a lot worse on here from the dark side I didn't agree with much he had to say tonight but that's what it's all about isn't it differing opinions
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| Quote ="Sandro II Terrorista"Dave K. Has come on here and given an alternate view.
The posters; "His Bobness", " Duane Dibley"and the other one, "Des Lawson", knock him down, not for his views, but because he's a Hull fan.
I agree chaps that he has committed a heinous crime in his choice of club, but should we really be so insular to stymie all debate?'"
You need somebody who can't see through you, is happy living a lie
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| Quote ="Dave K."Do you not understand debating, I've just been replying to other peoples posts, as you seem to be tracking my posts (now 13) have a look at some of my others about Rovers and I think you will find them balanced.
I said the same on the Salford forum when they signed Godwin the same when we signed Howarth and Feka ( although was wrong about that one)
So if you think my first post wasn't genuine that you are don't know me at all.'"
Dave i have read all your posts and at 1st i did believe you was digging at rovers for digging sake (derby week n all) but as you have gone on it seems a genuine concern or disappointment as teams can't just pull local lads from there academy, but as a fan of hull kr i would love nothing more than a team full of young hull lads but it's just not possible, against Leeds at weekend was the closest we have had i think 7 academy lads and 12 English players all together that must be our best super league era in this department, anyway I'm rambling on the point I'm making is do you not think your gripe is a problem with the game it's self and how it is run rather than having a problem with certain clubs? with the step up from 19s to 1st team being to big and not possible really look at us loaning Greenwood from Wigan he is 23 years old and not anywhere near there 1st team yet but they went out and loaned larne Patrick the game is on its knees in this area and clubs are doing all they can to make there 1st team as strong as possible
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| Very rare that insults don't come into play on here, some people are to quick to want to jump in and spoil any chance of a thread ever getting into a decent debate, and it's usually the same posters too with there pathetic name calling.
I believe we had a prop in the most recent England U19's squad, doesn't mean he's ready for slut yet though so TP will hopefully come in and do a good job
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| Quote ="Dave K."You have Cox and Green, so would only need 2 youth players short term ( how long are walker, tilse and Burke out for?), or even one if you signed Greenwood, who I have no problem with, as I can see the merits in his signing and the need for one loan player.
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The problem we have is that our U19 props just aren't big enough to cope with the rigours of SL, and it would need to be about 5 weeks worth of Sl at that. The merits of signing Greenwood may be obvious but maybe Wigan didn't want to sell?
I'm not sure about signing TP but we had a light pack at the start of the season, the subsequent Weyman and Bailey situations destroyed what size we had and we only really replaced Weyman with Tilse and we know how that went.
I really think that this position is pretty unprecedented, 5 props down from our anticipated season start position. Weyman, Bailey, Allgood, Walker, Burke, (Tilse not included as he replaced Weyman) and I doubt any club could have dealt with this through their youth system.
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| Some fair points, one thing is for sure if he plays I'm putting a bet on him scoring on Saturday.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Some fair points, one thing is for sure if he plays I'm putting a bet on him scoring on Saturday.'"
I hope you are right, but I do not care who we sign on loan or permanent what i do care about is they play well for us and give 100%
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| Quote ="His Bobness"You need somebody who can't see through you, is happy living a lie'"
I'm pretty sure this is some sort of negative comment aimed towards me but unless you write it in a coherent sentence I have no idea what you mean.
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