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| Quote ="☺East-Sard☺"Solid enough complete with a few 'Hall moments'
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A soft knock on in our 10m - which led to 4 sets on our line before Leeds scored (score @ 4-4 I think)
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Looked dangerous 1st half esp
Kicking - esp spiral bombs (I could almost hear Stevo and the words 'whoa it's got snow on it')'"
Interesting that Sandercock certainly sees him as a 6 and will persist with the defending out wide option. Definitely talent there, think this might be the best plan to optimise his contribution.
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| I thought the game pretty much hinged on the 1st Watkins try, which was a blatant crossing IMO. Put McGuire in space and he put Waktins over. It was 16 all or 14-16 HKR at that time. After that the scoreline blew out. I think Leeds were just about edging the game and would have won it, but there wasn't much in it.
Thought Dobson had an absolute stinker, but your forwards look like they can match it with anyone this season if they can stay off the physio's table.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Interesting that Sandercock certainly sees him as a 6 and will persist with the defending out wide option. Definitely talent there, think this might be the best plan to optimise his contribution.'"
I don't think we've seen the best of him yet. He was another Morgan non-favourite for most of last season but came back in and did the business - you never know he might reach his potential at last.
Time will tell - but at the moment he's certainly our best option @ 6 imo. The Lovegrove/Hall defensive swap seems to work too.
With Hall the more attacking ball he gets, the better his contribution is - as you say.
It's a big ask replacing Green, but if he continues in the fashion he has done so far, then we might do reet.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Interesting that Sandercock certainly sees him as a 6 and will persist with the defending out wide option. Definitely talent there, think this might be the best plan to optimise his contribution.'"
Best plan till we get Blake Green or Ben Galea back.
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| Quote ="Matt23":3poh0e08I thought the game pretty much hinged on the 1st Watkins try, which was a blatant crossing IMO
That is a definite example of what I expected from Bentham.
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| Quote ="General Zod."I get the impression that Sandercock may have been chatting to Stuart Cummings before the game regarding the speed of the play the ball and tailored our defensive ruck control accordingly to find that Bentham continually penalised us on the 4th tackle (for what ever reason).
I honestly wasn't even going to go last night when I heard Bentham was the ref on the back of the scandalous performances last season when we got penalised out of both Easter games last season both at the KC and at Wakefield when the return fixtures turned out a dominant victory over FC and then a 70+ smashing of Wakefield. Not to mention video evidence that proves Bentham lied through his teeth to Clint Newton at the MM derby last year stating he held his arm up for the 5th tackle when the Sky replay clearly proved he did not.
Anyway as far as the game itself, I thought Rovers showed tremendous resolve on their own line when Leeds 1st try came on Leeds 5th set in a row and Rovers continued to show resolve throughout the half defending back to back sets on our own line and coming back after long periods without the ball to hit back and score.
The crucial moment for me was when at 12-10 up in the second half and well on top, Welham chose to be greedy and go for glory instead of putting Hodgson in who was in the clear with the line at his mercy - not acceptable - Champions like Leeds don't do this - they play and win as a team. That was a massive opportunity gone begging because had Welham passed we'd have no doubt gone on to win the game. Instead we were left to the mercy of Bentham's favoured 4th tackle penalties which resulted in a 5min+ periods without the ball in which Leeds continually hammered and tired out our right hand side and Watkins capitalised on the back of that. I think Watkins really will turn in to an international class player before too long.
Special mention for Greame Horne though, a few seasons ago I really doubted this kids ability but he really is standing up to be counted and maybe finally fulfilling his potential.'"
this is almost conspiracy theory to the level of fahrenheit 911 and the saddest/funniest part of it is you really believe it.
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| Just a point in isolation, but has anyone ever seen a second rower throw a quicker, longer and more accurate pass than Mika last night?
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| As a Leeds fan, I thought you lot went pretty well last night, you were in it up until the last 15/20 mins. Play like that throughout the season and I think you will do pretty well
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| Quote ="Fieldheadrhino"As a Leeds fan, I thought you lot went pretty well last night, you were in it up until the last 15/20 mins. Play like that throughout the season and I think you will do pretty well'"
No question about it but we have to turn up with that intensity week in, week out and hopefully hold it together for the full 80. Think we have made the play-offs for the last 4 years running and I cant see anything changing there.
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| Quote ="General Zod."I get the impression that Sandercock may have been chatting to Stuart Cummings before the game regarding the speed of the play the ball and tailored our defensive ruck control accordingly to find that Bentham continually penalised us on the 4th tackle (for what ever reason).
I honestly wasn't even going to go last night when I heard Bentham was the ref on the back of the scandalous performances last season when we got penalised out of both Easter games last season both at the KC and at Wakefield when the return fixtures turned out a dominant victory over FC and then a 70+ smashing of Wakefield. Not to mention video evidence that proves Bentham lied through his teeth to Clint Newton at the MM derby last year stating he held his arm up for the 5th tackle when the Sky replay clearly proved he did not.
Anyway as far as the game itself, I thought Rovers showed tremendous resolve on their own line when Leeds 1st try came on Leeds 5th set in a row and Rovers continued to show resolve throughout the half defending back to back sets on our own line and coming back after long periods without the ball to hit back and score.
The crucial moment for me was when at 12-10 up in the second half and well on top, Welham chose to be greedy and go for glory instead of putting Hodgson in who was in the clear with the line at his mercy - not acceptable - Champions like Leeds don't do this - they play and win as a team. That was a massive opportunity gone begging because had Welham passed we'd have no doubt gone on to win the game. Instead we were left to the mercy of Bentham's favoured 4th tackle penalties which resulted in a 5min+ periods without the ball in which Leeds continually hammered and tired out our right hand side and Watkins capitalised on the back of that. I think Watkins really will turn in to an international class player before too long.
Special mention for Greame Horne though, a few seasons ago I really doubted this kids ability but he really is standing up to be counted and maybe finally fulfilling his potential.'"
Jesus, where do you buy your delusional juice from?
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"So explain how playing away from home against the Champions who have only lost 2 opening games in 17 years was a missed opportunity.
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The fact that rovers were "the best team" for 60 minutes against the reigning champions rather proves the point they were slow starters don't you think?
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| Quote ="☺East-Sard☺"I don't think we've seen the best of him yet. He was another Morgan non-favourite for most of last season but came back in and did the business - you never know he might reach his potential at last.
Time will tell - but at the moment he's certainly our best option @ 6 imo. The Lovegrove/Hall defensive swap seems to work too.
With Hall the more attacking ball he gets, the better his contribution is - as you say.
It's a big ask replacing Green, but if he continues in the fashion he has done so far, then we might do reet.'"
Hall's problem has always seemed to be a lack of ability to concentrate for more than about 10 minutes at a time. At Hull I really liked him and thought he'd get better but he didn't. i hope he responds well to a new coach and starts to fulfil his potential
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| Quote ="Sandra The Terrorist"Just a point in isolation, but has anyone ever seen a second rower throw a quicker, longer and more accurate pass than Mika last night?'"
That really was amazing! He put no effort into it either! Every time either him of Paea get the ball there is a buzz in the crowd, really exciting players.
With regards to Hally, I think he has to stay at stand off. He's one of the most naturally gifted players in the squad and can really make things happen. He will contribute to more being scored than he will to points conceded. Look at the break he made on the last tackle the put McDonnell through when his kick just skipped dead, that could've changed the game and was a real moment of quick thinking. The longer he plays this role the better he will get and the higher his confidence will be.
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| Quote ="Sandra The Terrorist"Was it McGuire? Couldn't tell from our end. How is that possible? Lovegrove should just steamroll McGuire.'"
Yeah! It was right in front of where I was stood, I thought we could be in trouble as he should be at least be able to get an offload away, but he didn't even make an effort to challenge McGuire, he just happily ran into touch.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"The fact that rovers were "the best team" for 60 minutes against the reigning champions rather proves the point they were slow starters don't you think?'"
Leeds scored after about 4 minutes, would prove they aren't that slow don't you think?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Hall's problem has always seemed to be a lack of ability to concentrate for more than about 10 minutes at a time. At Hull I really liked him and thought he'd get better but he didn't. i hope he responds well to a new coach and starts to fulfil his potential'"
Likewise. He did pretty well on the odd occasion we played him at 6 as well.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"The fact that rovers were "the best team" for 60 minutes against the reigning champions rather proves the point they were slow starters don't you think?'"
just let it go FFS and on the game i was pleased with the forwards thats been our downfall for the last few seasons and welham cost us the game in my opinion bad decision not to pass at a important time
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Leeds scored after about 4 minutes, would prove they aren't that slow don't you think?'"
Not really, just that rovers were slower. Sounds like leeds were pretty rubbish last night and still won. They'd have probably lost to a top side
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"just let it go FFS and on the game i was pleased with the forwards thats been our downfall for the last few seasons and welham cost us the game in my opinion bad decision not to pass at a important time'"
Why? I was just showing chadders that his logic was flawed
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Not really, just that rovers were slower. Sounds like leeds were pretty rubbish last night and still won. They'd have probably lost to a top side'"
Probably so good thing Wigan, Wire and Saints are otherwise occupied this weekend
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Probably so good thing Wigan, Wire and Saints are otherwise occupied this weekend'"
Indeed, but they rarely put the top sides against each other 1st game up
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Indeed, but they rarely put the top sides against each other 1st game up'"
Obviously you've used your fc back catalogue of the last ten games against Leeds to advise us on how to beat them
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| Quote ="Sandra The Terrorist"Just a point in isolation, but has anyone ever seen a second rower throw a quicker, longer and more accurate pass than Mika last night?'"
Con always fancied himself as a 5/8, and it's a Knights thing that playmakers spend a lot of time working on 20 and 30 metre passes - watch Scotty Dureau for instance - but a couple of guys named Ryan Stig and Jono Ford were team mates of Mika and those guys can drill a 30 metre pass in their sleep (Jono is halfback for the Cook Islands and Newtown - 'the Stig' is second choice halfback for the Knights).
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Obviously you've used your fc back catalogue of the last ten games against Leeds to advise us on how to beat them'"
Is it only 10?
Anyway, chapter 1 in the richard agar guide to coaching is "whatever you do, make sure you lose to the bosses team"
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| Quote ="roopy"Con always fancied himself as a 5/8, and it's a Knights thing that playmakers spend a lot of time working on 20 and 30 metre passes - watch Scotty Dureau for instance - but a couple of guys named Ryan Stig and Jono Ford were team mates of Mika and those guys can drill a 30 metre pass in their sleep (Jono is halfback for the Cook Islands and Newtown - 'the Stig' is second choice halfback for the Knights).'"
Never ceases to amaze me how poor the passing skills are of seasoned pro who earn significant sums for playing rugby
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