Ironic on a thread about Cockayne.

What kind of cockeyed view you have, on the one hand you say you believe that people can change and should be given all the support and resources to do so and then in your next breath you pretty much contradict yourself by saying that in Ben Cockaynes case he should have been jailed, if thats not hypocrisy than i dont know what is.
Oh by the way, was the fact that you stated you were brought up in a North Hull housing estate and educated to degree level supposed to impress me, if it was then you failed, ive known plenty of people who have obtained various degrees including my ex who worked in the medical proffesion, it would be safe to say that they are not always the smartest people, oh i almost forgot, i also was educated at a North Hull school and brought up on a council estate if thats supposed to count for something.
I notice that you said you have (past tense) worked with Drug addicts, offenders,etc, so i presume you may have been and possibly still are working for social services in some capacity, in which case i dont think your use of the word scum to describe someone who represents the very people you are supposed to be assisting would fit in with the groups ethos.

Just like us and Raynor and probably Tansey

As good a player as they are, the club made the correct decisions on both

Other than the assault, what offence has he committed?

Surely the irony works both ways. An intolerant poster, getting her door down about people defending Cockayne when he's posted intolerant views, funny old world innit?

I stated where I was brought up and my education in responce to your post, I have no need to impress you.
You dismissed Bens offences as misdemenours, I think most people smart or not realise beating some-one to near death is more than a misdemenour, most people also understand that people with a priveledge job like Ben's would feel some embarassment, shame, and realise how lucky they are put there head down and get on with their job of rebuilding their lives. This has not happened with Ben, he then decides to post racist comments knowing he has over 1000 followers on facebook. I have worked with many offenders the majority committing crime due to their drug addiction, the one's who get clean generally feel shame for their past, and go on to lead normal lives. Ben Cockayne is not an indivdual who feels any remorse, if he did he would not have displayed his racism in such a public arena.Ben's name is chanted by thousands of people in a staduim most weeks, his arrogance shines through whilst he staggers about the pitch soaking up this addulation. I do not work for social serivces though have many friends who do, most would agree with me that Ben is scum, MR mentioned role models and his opinion is that he does not buy into it, fair enough, however 1000s of youngsters are there chanting Ben's name, people like yourself are on here defending him...people refering to him as a legend!!..He is not a teenager on the wrong path, he is not a drug addict, he is actually a man who does not have to scrimp and scrap to meet the needs of his family, he is in his 30s!!..at what point is he going to realise he made mistakes etc like you indicate ?
I would be ashamed to chant his name every week and would be more ashamed if children where present, tell me what explanations do poeple give to their children about idolising a racist thug?
How do you consider Bens,s victim feels about 1000s chanting his name ?
How do you consider ethinic minorites feel about Ben's behaviour ?
How do you consider people like me with normal morals feel about Ben's behaviour ?
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With the greatest of respect and I have given my views on this you are coming across as holiest that thou on this thread, That doesn't always sit will with folks.

Nope bb he is in his 20's lol

I've stated my opinions on Ben numerous times and still haven't changed my opinion that the club did the wrong thing by not sacking him after the facebook affair. We didn't, he played on and the club decided to internally discipline him which in my view tainted both the club and the sport a bit.
This now puts us, and my views, in a very tricky position. Not renewing his contract would not really do much in the way of making a statement. He'd go, get a decent contract elsewhere and it would be almost as if he was just let go. The impact to make a statement of us not tolerating this kind of behaviour was lost on the day of the KC derby. Because of this I think he'll get the new contract his playing deserves but his behaviour doesn't.
I wont be chanting charlie, I don;t like to hear people chanting it, but they will because he's almost become a folk hero for reasons that are beyond me.

Just to say seventies red posted some valid points and actually made me think about some of the things I did in my past and how I'm a completely different character now to when I was 18 and to some extents 27 (BC's age). I find myself looking at antics of some turning my nose up in disgust without thinking that maybe I wasn't massively dissimilar at a younger age. I got given a chance, maybe this BC's very last one.

Put it this way, he's got an extremely long way to go before I'll do anymore than clap a try he scores and no doubt time will tell if he manages to keep his nose clean.

Burn him!... and then the gypsies and the Jews eh?

Not sure who would pick him up if Rovers didn't offer him a new contract.

Maybe a move away from Yorkshire would be best for all concerned. Quins or Crusaders?

Condeming a racist thug is not adopting a holier than thou attitude...

No, but I would suggest not paying him the wages he recieves for the priveldged job he has and chanting his name would be a good place to start.

Maybe not, but the abuse seventies red got for referring to what Charlie did as "misdemeanors" was.

to save repeating things over and over i'll just state that barham red's opinion on the ben cockayne affair are exactly the same as mine. I understand why people want to keep him from a playing point of view but I personally feel that sometimes you have to look beyond that for the good of the club as a whole.

You consider me telling him his values & morals are in the gutter abuse ?

This is an emotive topic and if people are going to defend a racist thug they are going to get challenged by others.
I actually think Seventies Red made some good valid points in his post and he/she has clearly got some life experience, however it fell down for me when he only considered Bens actions as misdemenours, Ben committed a very serious crime and clearly did not learn from it.

So you're saying telling someone their morals and values are in the gutter isn't abuse, seems quite abusive to me. And what did they do to merit this attack? Oh yes they used a word to describe an incident, that you didn't consider to be strong enough. Like I said before, in your own way your as Much a bigot as any racist, as you are totally intolerant to any views that don't match your own. As you say its an emotive subject maybe you best not get involved if you can't join in without attacking people who disagree with your opinions.

You consider my comment abusive, my word you must be more horrified than me regarding Ben.
What does it matter what happened, are you implying certain behaviours warrant being nearly kicked to death!
You consider me a bigot because I condemn a 27yr old racist thug

Don't you have to be able to read to be educated to degree standard? I think you'll find I called you a bigot for your lack of tolerance for anyone else's views. And just for the record, yes I found your comments aimed at seventies red offensive when taken in the context, that all he/she had done was to express an opinion on an open forum that didn't agree with yours and in doing so commited the dreadful crime of using a word, you considered not strong enough to describe Charlies actions. For this you accuse them of having morals and standards in the gutter. Like I said before maybe the issue is too emotive for you to get invovled in the debate if it has that effect on you.

OK...your being very selective here to what you respond to..what about your replying regarding what the victim had done ? you clearly implied the attack was warranted. His name is Ben Caockayne, interesting that you still choose to use his pet name, bless!

Where have I implied it was either warranted or aceptable? I said it had been dealt with by the courts, there you go with that reading difficulty again! Seems to be spreading to your writing skills now too, Charlies name is actully Cockayne not Caockayne, maybe time for a bit of a chill out It's starting to get to you now!

I too find Bens actions very disturbing, more so the racist thing than the assault charge. The assault thing will have had mitigating circumstances, provocation, alcohol, history etc and although not excusable smelly stuff sometimes happens. The courts dealt with this, the club dealt with it, we moved on, Ben seemed to grow up a bit and in all fairness this was an isolated incident.

The racism is a bit different, its his views and very difficult to either justify or defend himself from. As I said the club IMO made an error by dealing with it internally and not doing the right thing.

This thread has unfortunately turned into a slagging fest that seems to be based on symantics, most are almost agreeing and in no way defending the indefensible. Shame really as it could be a reasoned debate that seem so few and far between on here.

Would it be permitted for someone to pm me what this racial slur actually was? As in, the exact wording?

The thing with the racist comments is there was no prosecution, hence no sentence. I said on a previous thread, I believe if he'd commited the offenses in the other order, ie been warned for the racism, then commited the more serious (in the eyes of the law) assault the club would have been left with no choice but to get rid.
I don't think they will get rid of him now as the time to do so, was at the time the Facebook story broke. Once he'd played again any damage, real or perceived, to the clubs reputation had been done.
If the earlier post regarding him being offered a contract on reduced terms is accurate it may be the club wanting a return on the loyalty they've shown him, or maybe the opening offer in the haggling process. Either way I'm quite prepared to stand by whatever decision they make, and any player that pulls on a Rovers shirt will get my support, as long as they put the effort in, which he surely does. However if the board do decide not to resign him because of his track record, neither he or the fans can have any complaints, and I for one would respect their decision.

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This was not acceptable. Whether his subsequent punishment was sufficient (or even excessive), is a subjective judgement, on which people can hold a range of views without their integrity being in question.

We've done all this before, of course.