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| Quote ="Bertie"So in essence you codemn all firms / individuals who sponsor any player convicted of violence.?'"
Depends if we are talking a handbags situation in which 2 people punch each other....OR a person gets their mate to hold some-one down so he can kick him numerous times and then go back for more, you see their are people who have disputes and it can end up in a fight or there are out right cheap shot thugs..
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| Who have now been dealt with under UK law and are free to get on with their lives.
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"Who have now been dealt with under UK law and are free to get on with their lives.'"
You are right, however it will always cause a reaction/debate when it is raised, and I think it is silly when people defend players like Cockayne & Raynor.
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| Quote ="Bertie"So in essence you codemn all firms / individuals who sponsor any player convicted of violence.?'"
You were trying to tar me with brush of some comments of some idiots wishing injuries on players (having brought it up on several occasions already), implying that collectively FC fans supported violence. Rovers fans choose collectively to sponsor Ben Cockayne. I'm not condemning it. Just pointing out the irony of you jumping up and down about some stupid comments as if it shows all FC fans in a violence-sponsoring light, when your own fans are providing direct sponsorship to Cockayne (and took the decision to do so at a point in time when players like Taylor did not have sponsors).
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"You were trying to tar me with brush of some comments of some idiots wishing injuries on players (having brought it up on several occasions already), implying that collectively FC fans supported violence. [uRovers fans choose collectively to sponsor Ben Cockayne[/u. I'm not condemning it. Just pointing out the irony of you jumping up and down about some stupid comments as if it shows all FC fans in a violence-sponsoring light, when your own fans are providing direct sponsorship to Cockayne (and took the decision to do so at a point in time when players like Taylor did not have sponsors).'"
[uA[/u collective of Rovers fans, which is slightly different, especially if you are complaining about tarring a whole group with the same brush. This is done in support of his role as a rugby player, not as an endorsement of his criminal violence anyway. Another collective sponsors Shaun Briscoe and Richard Beaumont.
Up to a point one man's biff is another man's thuggery - tends to depend whether it is his team dishing it out or taking it. Being fans makes hypocrites of us all.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"[uA[/u collective of Rovers fans, which is slightly different, especially if you are complaining about tarring a whole group with the same brush. This is done in support of his role as a rugby player, not as an endorsement of his criminal violence anyway. Another collective sponsors Shaun Briscoe and Richard Beaumont.
Up to a point one man's biff is another man's thuggery - tends to depend whether it is his team dishing it out or taking it. Being fans makes hypocrites of us all.'"
All fair and valid points as usual.
Although you could say then that other Rovers fans shouldn't be tarred with the brush of the minority wanting to directly sponsor Cockayne.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"You were trying to tar me with brush of some comments of some idiots wishing injuries on players (having brought it up on several occasions already), implying that collectively FC fans supported violence. Rovers fans choose collectively to sponsor Ben Cockayne. I'm not condemning it. Just pointing out the irony of you jumping up and down about some stupid comments as if it shows all FC fans in a violence-sponsoring light, when your own fans are providing direct sponsorship to Cockayne (and took the decision to do so at a point in time when players like Taylor did not have sponsors).'"
You really are a mind reader aswell are you Mrs B , It's like me saying some hull fans changed their avatar when Chev walker picked up his unfortunate injury.
P.S. What is your definition of several BTW
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| Second and final steer onto the original topic.
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Second and final steer onto the original topic.'"
OK Dad.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Totally agree. Any discussion on raynor should be on the crusaders board'"
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| Briscoe
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Hodgson
Webster
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Assuming as predicted Galeas and I'Ansons injurys rule them out.
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| If Galea and I'anson are out then Fisher must play,
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Cook
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Ratu
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Cockayne misses out for me, for all his enthusiasm and ability to lift the team he's too prone to give away easy yards and we can't afford that as was shown in the Bradford match.
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| Quote ="barham red"If Galea and I'anson are out then Fisher must play,
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Cockayne misses out for me, for all his enthusiasm and ability to lift the team he's too prone to give away easy yards and we can't afford that as was shown in the Bradford match.'"
I'd go with the above assuming Galea isn't fit except would replace Hodgson with Cockayne, soley because of his ability to cover a few positions including hooker.
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| Can I chip in? as someone on the Salford forum reckons I am a K.R. fan.
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They've been put right
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| Reading todays HDM (I know its probably rubbish) it looks like it will be..
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Welham
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| Quote ="barham red"Reading todays HDM (I know its probably rubbish) it looks like it will be..
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Colbon
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Dobson
Vella
Murrell
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Newton
Cook
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Interesting line up. That gives us about as big a pack as we can put out, with the obvious exception of Mills.
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| Webster at stand off and cooke to loose forward, good move with cooke and I think webster will play a nice simple game at 6, but will pull in 3-4 tacklers when he has the ball, and will allow dobson to utilise gaps. Could be genius by morgan
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Webster at stand off and cooke to loose forward, good move with cooke and I think webster will play a nice simple game at 6, but will pull in 3-4 tacklers when he has the ball, and will allow dobson to utilise gaps. Could be genius by morgan'"
I think the only way that may work is if we had Galea in the team to give us the extra ball handler.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"I think the only way that may work is if we had Galea in the team to give us the extra ball handler.'"
Well, with Dobson, Cooke, Murrell/Hodgson, Briscoe, and I don't see why Jake can't be included in this as he can pass the ball a bit, we have, imo of course a lot of ball handlers
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Or, unlikely and unprecedented as it may seem, it could be that the severity of the injury was a tad overstated by Morgan. £1 says Galea will pass a late fitness test as a "timely boost" for Rovers opener.
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Hows that gambling career of your going?
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Well, with Dobson, Cooke, Murrell/Hodgson, Briscoe, and I don't see why Jake can't be included in this as he can pass the ball a bit, we have, imo of course a lot of ball handlers'"
Dobson and Cooke, yes but I dont count a hooker as a ball handler(as such)as they spend all the game at acting half and Briscoe is no ball handler IMO.
I think you need at least 3 good ball handlers to give the options you need, it drives me mad seeing a prop at first receiver on the 4th/5th tackle in the oppo's 20m, and I remember seeing happen on a couple of occasions v Bradford.
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Briscoe, Fox, Welham, Webster, Ratu, Colbon, Cooke, Dobson, Vella, Lovegrove, Wheeldon, Murrell, Newton, Cook, Watts, Netherton, Fisher, Cockayne, I'Anson.
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Surely there is some mistake. Galea has been feigning injury all week, in order for us to spring a "timely boost" on our squad. I expect a late inclusion, including his walking stick to make the bench!
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