Serious question.
Who is the highlighted part attributed to, Craig Hall or Agar?

Many games Craig Hall dropped the proverbial which cost the team. We all knew his talent but he was raw to say the least. Remember the KC derby this year?

If you are blaming Agar then that is your beef. Peter Sharp once blamed Hall for losing a game in London by missing all his kicks. End of the day he did!

Responsibility.

Craig Hall has gone away and worked on his game, a loan spell at Widnes and recent form would suggest he is getting stronger. Not the finished article but a hell of a talent.

I've not got a beef with either,
it's just that a lot of your fans blamed Agar, and some blamed Hall, but having seen Craig on TV I could see how his confidence had completely gone, and the fans were on his back, but there were people screeming he should be brought back and Agar shown the door,
The sentence "sometimes you need to take responsibility for your actions because it is scrutonised by everyone" could have been attributed to either,
Like I said it was a serious question, and not a snipe at either.

I hope I answered your query. Both still have a lot to prove.

Agar was at fault for playing him out of position but in the backs we had Tony, Byrne, Briscoe and Raynor out and R Horne and Thorman started the season OK in the halves. That said, Hall was a disaster at FB, so awful that I thought we should get rid. His handling, defence and decision-making were terrible. He's only really got back in as Yeaman and Briscoe have both been injured, but has looked a different player since his loan spell. He still has brain explosions, but his knack for finding the try-line is uncanny. You've got a good 'un there and I'll be very disappointed to see him pull on the red and white shirt next season. Assuming the OP is in full possession of all the FACTS, of course.

Don't know where he will end up, but wish him well whatever he decides is right for him, on your other point, I thought Briscoe was a winger, so I really couldn't understand why Agar played Hall out off position, then had the temerity to blame Hall, and some of his recent comments regarding the FC players seemed rather strange, considering he's the coach.

Which comments did you find strange out of interest?

I find these posts very strange, considering there are rules in place about talking to players under contract, (well for 4 more days) how can he have already signed a contract

while he's under contract with Hullicon_rolleyes.gif if you had posted this in September, it may have had some creedence.

Hall is under contract at FC until end 2010.

They need to go back to basics.(Thats his job)
It leaves me questioning where rugby sits on the list of priorities of some of our players (He's incharge of club discipline).
The fans are having a detrimental effect on our performance.(It's up to him to change that and the fans have a right to voice there frustration).

I didn't know that but,
It makes the original post even more bizaar then

Before answering I should say that Agar has it all to prove to me as a head coach.

Back to basics is down to Hull's inability to play basic rugby. I think both Agar and (well paid) players are to blame.

Questioning players priority is a big issue with me and Agars culling so far I totally agree with. This culling is a few years too late but at least he sees it and is walking the walk. Good riddance to the slackers.

The fans do play a part and booing aint my thing. Whilst I can see the fans angle I will always support MY team. TBF to Agar he was asked directly by a journo 'Did the crowd not help by booing?' What does he say?

I understand what your saying about the fans to a degree, and not being there at the press confrence i'm hardly in a position to comment on the context of the quotes.

It seems a bit knee jerk this reported culling, it makes me wonder if its fan pressure thats brought it about, considering its taken this long, if it is fan pressure this would raise a few flags with me.

The other issue is a straight forward coaching issue, full time SL players should IMO not need to go back to basics.

One other thing he said what was very strange, at the start of the season, when asked about the partnership between Thorman and Horne, he said somthing along the lines of "they are coming up with that many new moves I can't keep up"

The culling aint knee jerk it is long overdue IMO!

The Thorman signing has been bad from the start. He simply isnt up to the job of organising Hull FC. Bad call. However the Horne situation is more delicate with his illness and stuff.

Like i said Agar has a hell of a lot to prove to us all as a Super League coach and his only saving grace at the mo is his quality recruitment. By signing experienced players alongside some quality young players suggests that there is a plan. You may disagree but I hope there is!

I hope there is to be fair.

But like someone once said, its alright having all the ingredients for a cake its another thing baking it, you only have to loke at Cullens recruitment at Warrington world class players and they were at the bottom, I really think you need to bring in a proven coach, and I don't mean Sharpe, you only have to look at hudds since he left.

At the end of the day we have been to 2 challenge cup finals and 1 grand final in the last four years. As a fan that is awesome. Going to the major finals as a fan of the team playing is second to none, unbelelievable!

maybe some players thought they had made it by doing this and slacked. Who knows.

I guess your point is Agar is the problem? We will see very soon cos although he is in charge next season I am sure plans are in place if he doesnt turn things around.

That was my point, I however think you deserve better, I don't believe your most recent sucesses have been down to Agar, it seens the more it became 'his team' the more your onfield problems worsened, I don't think that with the right coach in place it would take very long to sort out, look how quick Smith turned Wolves around.

As I said from the start Agar has it all to prove to me and many others. I guess the proof of the pudding is next year when he (hopefully) has a fully fit squad including players like Fitzgibbon, O'Meley, Long and Berrigan. Surely if he is that poor these players will have a say.

We will see!

I hope your right, as I can't see O'Meley and Fitz putting up with rubbish.

And yet by all accounts only Hall had to do this until Thormnan gave Agar no choice what so ever.
But hey ho Hall has no reason to be upset I guess even though he was the obvious scapegoat, Just 1 question would you say Hall is a Fullback seeing as it seemed to be his mistakes in that position that made Agar single him out and send him out in the first place?

send him out on loan? i'm sure i read it was halls idea, might be wrong though.

A transfer fee (or player exchange) would compensate for that

You're not.

is it still a possibilty that he could go? i cant see a player exchange tbh the players hkr would release arent the players hull would need/want imo.

What would be the benefit to FC in a player excange? (cash wont happen)

I was saying on our board yesterday (and this is no way reflective of rovers current squad) but why would we swap a young kid that could be a future england international with 10 years playing in front of him for 1 or 2 seasons of an arguably better player?