As posted on my new thread about these rulings the RFL cannot make this rule and use nationality as the reason behind it as that would be against the law.

The rules provide that you qualify (if at all) for club trained and/or federation trained status by the age of 21 – there is no possibility, therefore, of qualifying after that by having played rugby union in Australia and then moving to the UK as you mention. However, the aims and the rules make no reference to nationality and we would not be able to make rules that do so for legal reasons. If the aim is to encourage clubs to develop their own junior players, for the benefit of the individual players and the sport in general, then there may well be cases where British players are not considered club trained or federation trained for the very reason that they are not – the examples that you have raised are being trained in Australia or in another sport. Those examples go against the aim of the rules which is for clubs to train their own players.

Not a loophole to get him through, just using the rules for our advantage.

no they didn't they deferred the payments and found a 'loophole' whereby some funds due to players would be paid this season to clear space in the salary cap for last,

this is why they were found guilty of Breaking the SPIRIT of the rules not breaking a rule, and why they were looking to appeal

they could have very easily though said, any player who has had a proffessional RL arrangement with a club outside the federation has to count as a none federation trained player,

Im sure you wouldnt be arguing the same if Leeds use their link up with the Rabbitohs to bring over 4/5 youth team players every year so they no longer count as none federation players

..and at the same time going against the SPIRIT of the game and what those rules were brought in for. Once again British talent loses out.

No no no!

How can it be going against the spirit of the rules? The rules are there as it says to allow clubs to bring through young players no matter what their nationality. It enables the clubs, player and league to improve year on year.

An improvement in the SL youth means a stronger SL competition for years to come and will because 90% of the players will be British mean the national team will be much stronger.

because the spirit of the rules, is to increase the amount of british youth playing at SL level, and also for clubs to be repsonsible for bringing through their own youth encouraging them to invest more in thier youth academies, Rhys Lovegrove is neither of these things,

he is australian, he is australian trained, picking up the cast offs of St George a year earlier than we would have previously is going to benefit anybody,

all it means is we have one more average overseas player than we would have done,

At 20 yrs old he's bumped off more than his fair share of seasoned SL players so to say he's average now is more than a compliment for him because when WE develop him he's going to be something big in the game I have no doubt.

We have not exploited any rules or loopholes nor gone against the spirit of the rules, if that was the case then we'd be fined by the RFL would we not?

Believe what you want to believe but the cold hard facts are that Rhys is a British passport holder and is under 21 so these rules play kindly to him and Rovers.

Because the rules were divised to help bring through more young BRITISH players. However European Employment laws prohibit that aim being stated within the laws on grounds of discrimination/restraint of trade etc. It is up to the clubs to enforce the spirit of the rules, something your club obviously can't be d with.

It is clearly not the aim of the rules to allow clubs to fill their under 21 qualifying players with aussies or kiwis, therefore it is not in the spirit of the game IMO and I defy anyone to state the conrtray.

As stated the RFL could have said ANY player that has had a year with an Australian club or something similar would count on the none federation trained list BUT they didnt their aim is to have young players coming through the British system and lets face it Rhys could play for England in next years World Cup - I defy you to tell me he cant!

Did i hear such cries about SPIRIT of the game when a merged team (not 5 miles away) were granted special dispensation for taking on an extra team of Aussies



Or didn't British talent lose out then

Provided he makes himself available to GB/England only and formally declines any acceptance of aussie representative footie then fair enough.

do you need another 10p

If i said yes that would mean you being £100.10p down this season

So it could be good for the national game in this country if he is able to not be one of the 10 then?! Thus making it within the spirit of the game.

However even if he is good enough for the national side I very much doubt he'd take us up on it, from what i've heard he's pretty proud to be an Aussie!

if only your facts were correct for once

so these rules, and exploitation of them have been in no way beneficial for the game in this country,

all it means is HKR can employ another average aussie to take the place of an british player,

and he isnt good enough for GB and never will be

well done on get around a rule put in place to help the national team, you must be very proud

Tut tut, changing peoples names is so childish, don't you agree, Big Man the Willie Eater?

He's not average though, quite a good prospect in fact.

he isnt, he is an average prospect,

he isnt as as good as Gibson, Atkins, Hall, Tyrer, Cook, Goulding, all actually british, all better than Lovegrove

he is average

its not like your bringing Inglis over and trying to sneak him through

Yeah whatever Smokey, the only opinion that counts in your little world is yours, and so there is little point in entering into a debate with you, so yeah whatever you think is fine by me.

How would you know how good he is? How many games have you seen him play.

Oh, and what exactly has is got to do with you anyway? Goddam retard!

I think you have some issues to sort out with yourself, Smokey! Calm yourself down a tad and don’t get so upset.

He's a talented youngster that WILL light up the game of RL in the next few years. There are not many exciting players out there at the age of 20, but Rhys the Beast Lovegrove IS one of them.

The boy is so aggressive in attack and defence it's a pleasure to watch. When he arrived he was lacking any match fitness, in a strange country, finding a new home and playing for a new club, all at the same time! It only took him a few weeks to get over though, and boy has he shown some power and skill. To top it all off he won't even be 1st choice!!!!

The rules are there for all to see and if you don’t like it then lobby the RFL. We are abiding by them and the RFL are obviously happy with everything, or we would be up before the beak.

Feel better now?

i have seen him play five games this season and looklike nothing more than a poor mans Chev, he is strong and quicker than you would think but there is nothing else to his game

Thats where i have a problem with it. Its nothing personal and i'd be saying the same were it at another club even Hull. I do not see the point in our acadamies becoming breeding ground for non GB players, that is not their intenion.

to be honest we heard this from you about Aizue, Morton, Steel, Ford, Webster, Fisher, Tangata-toa, Dyer, Lennon, etc and not one of your players has been a leading light this season,

if he was as good as you say, he would have been playing for St George who had terrible injuries in the centres this season, they saw it, and so does anyone else who watches, he is average at best

and you even quoted a post listing 6 BRITISH centres all young and all better than Lovegrove, then said they werent many players as young and as good, well theres 6 right there

congratulations and bringing through another average aussie, congratulations on finding a loophole so you dont have to pull your weight for the national team, well done