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| Quote ="RoversTrace"No sentiment, just looking at the bigger picture. That cctv footage shows a small part of what happened that night. The judge was privy to that, most of us weren't. I've said I don't condone what he did and he deserves punishment, the judge has handed him what he considers a suitable punishment, after long consideration. Time for everyone to move on now I think.'"
And you'd still have the genorous liberal attitude if it was your son?
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| Quote ="RoversTrace"No sentiment, just looking at the bigger picture. That cctv footage shows a small part of what happened that night. The judge was privy to that, most of us weren't. I've said I don't condone what he did and he deserves punishment, the judge has handed him what he considers a suitable punishment, after long consideration. Time for everyone to move on now I think.'"
Fair points but there's no need to make light of the situation by branding it on the level of a school playground fight etc.
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| Quote ="kitche"didn't laugh at my joke tho
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| Quote ="General Zod."Fair points but there's no need to make light of the situation by branding it on the level of a school playground fight etc.'"
Where did I make light of it, that was a genuine comment and not meant to be at all light hearted. It was more suggesting a problem in society. I personally was quite shocked when my daughter said it.
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| Quote ="denbo63"And you'd still have the genorous liberal attitude if it was your son?
BLAH!'"
And if it were your player?
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| We've already had it.
Your prodicle son anyone who's legal fees still need paying?
Raynor whos's black racially abusing a black doorman ( I know...I'm struggling with that one )
Why are they so mental on the beer?
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| i have posted quite a few comments on this matter, and, all i have to say to all the gateshead fans posting on here is \/.
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| Quote ="red al"i have posted quite a few comments on this matter, and, all i have to say to all the gateshead fans posting on here is \/.[/quot
OOOH mummy... a scary man.....
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| Quote ="denbo63"Quote ="red al"i have posted quite a few comments on this matter, and, all i have to say to all the gateshead fans posting on here is \/.[/quot
OOOH mummy... a scary man.....
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bed time son!
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| Quote ="red al"Quote ="denbo63"
bed time son!'" '"
I'm probs older than you daft lad. However if it makes you feel better...CBeebies has finished so I'm off bee byes cos these east hull types are out-intuactually doing me...... MEH!
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| Quote ="General Zod."A few points from me:
1) I'm absolutely disgusted at Ben Cockayne.
2) Some of my fellow Rovers fans with their pathetic efforts of playing down the offence (in one way or another) by writing such trype as "my daughter says she sees fights like that in the playground" are absolutely deplorable.
3) It's noticable that the FC fans who want convict Crocker in the country have a different opinion in this case regardless of knowing the full facts of either case.
3) I would support an RFL rule to take action against thugs in the future from a certain date, though not retrospectively because all punishment should be consistent.
4) From a club point of view, I don't see why Rovers should take the morale high-ground when no other club has so far and in another case, another club actually gave character references despite the player concerned being a repeat offender (i.e. Raynor).
5) Castleford Tigers stance of sacking their young player is hypocriticial considering they had agreed terms with Cockayne before Rovers upped their offer.
If Rovers sack Cockayne then fair play to them. If they don't then fair play to them. I'm just really miffed about the whole episode itself and certain types of responses from both Rovers and Hull fans.'"
You were doing OK until the numbers started to confuse you.
1, 2 and the second 3 are good sensible points. I too feel let down that a player from my club has behaved like an idiot and agree that the RFL need to get something in place to cover this soon.
The first number 3 is ridiculous if you compare the sentences. £300 fine versus 51 weeks in prison seems to indicate that the affray in Crocker's case was not as serious as some like to think (the max sentence for this in a UK court is 3 years so to get away with a low fine gives an indication of the offence). Cockayne was convicted of actual bodily harm. He was effectively sent to prison, which is considerably worse that £300 (except perhaps in some parallel universe). No problem with having a different opinion of the two convictions. In fact your argument does seem to suggest that all convictions should be treated exactly the same.
For number 4, have you missed out a "not"? If I was a Rovers fan concerned about my club and the sport I would be delighted if the directors took the moral high ground. Especially as no other clubs have yet. It would send out a VERY strong message if one club did so.
For 5 how is it hypocritical of them to sack the player? Offering a deal to Cockayne is nothing to do with it. At the time no one had been convicted of an offence, now they have, Perhaps Cas have taken the moral high ground before you lot could get there?
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| Quote ="denbo63"Quote ="red al"
I'm probs older than you daft lad. However if it makes you feel better...CBeebies has finished so I'm off bee byes cos these east hull types are out-[size=150=redintuellectally[/size doing me...... MEH!'" '"
WTF!!!
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| Quote ="red al"i have posted quite a few comments on this matter, and, all i have to say to all the gateshead fans posting on here is \/.'"
Has Captain Thunder been on here again?
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| Quote ="roversmad"Quote ="denbo63"
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| Quote ="roversmad"Quote ="denbo63"
WTF!!!
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sometimes you have to stoop to the the great unwashed to let them understand
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| Plus I'm drunk....
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| Quote ="General Zod."Not at all, it's quite pathetic considering your club has a history or helping it's players evade prison sentences for violent offences and also trying to bring another thug in the country...
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People get into fights all the time. I don't think someone who throws a punch at someone else is a thug, obviously it depends on the circumstances though. I don't think Crocker is a thug for what he did, nor do I think Feka is. There's a line which defines it in my opinion, but I guess it's how you as an individual view things.
What Cockayne did was thuggish and you don't get much lower. I'd have the same stance no matter who it was. I hate to see people kicked, especially when they're on the floor and when the kick is aimed at the head/face.
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| Quote ="denbo63"Plus I'm dunce....
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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"People get into fights all the time. I don't think someone who throws a punch at someone else is a thug, obviously it depends on the circumstances though. =redI don't think Crocker is a thug for what he did, nor do I think Feka is. There's a line which defines it in my opinion, but I guess it's how you as an individual view things.
What Cockayne did was thuggish and you don't get much lower. I'd have the same stance no matter who it was. I hate to see people kicked, especially when they're on the floor and when the kick is aimed at the head/face.'"
We can presume you have seen the relevant videos then?
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| Quote ="red al"'"
Is that meaning 'A Dunce?'. Or that does not make grammatical sense.
Not that you'd know.
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| Quote ="Chris28"snip'"
By the way Zod, can you point out Raynor's other convictions? I genuinely can't think of any so calling him a repeat offender could be seen to be libellous.
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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"People get into fights all the time. I don't think someone who throws a punch at someone else is a thug, obviously it depends on the circumstances though. I don't think Crocker is a thug for what he did, nor do I think Feka is. There's a line which defines it in my opinion, but I guess it's how you as an individual view things.
What Cockayne did was thuggish and you don't get much lower. I'd have the same stance no matter who it was. I hate to see people kicked, especially when they're on the floor and when the kick is aimed at the head/face.'"
don't get in town much then eh?
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| Quote ="red al"don't get in town much then eh?'"
I guess that makes it okay then.
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| Quote ="roversmad"We can presume you have seen the relevant videos then?'"
Unfortunately Mr C has been caught out by the video which will no doubt be splashed everywhere. Must admit I am surprised it's been released so soon
Are there videos of the other incidents for us to scrutinise?
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| Quote ="red al"
don't get in town much then eh?'"
No Al......but you'll have to send us footage of you in action...we'll be falling down in admiration.
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